@kellyjay saidSo Jesus was a real door without a door knob and hinges. Whether you believe that your god could move mountains or not isn't the point, as you have conveniently forgotten. I'm not making much of anything, I'm merely seeking clarity, which when discussing anything with you is like trying to get blood out of a stone, metaphorically speaking.
Jesus saying He a door is a metaphor he does not also have a door knob and hinges making it both real and a metaphor, telling us God can move mountains was I believe a metaphor, however, that one He could do, so both are true, you are making much of something quite a little. Not sure why you'd talk about it more often than when you bring up science and cannot explain reality ...[text shortened]...
John 10:7
So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
So Jesus thought that he was (truly truly) a door, and that people were actually sheep; in the face of that, who needs reality?
@indonesia-phil saidI acknowledge metaphoric statements and you don't understand.
So Jesus was a real door without a door knob and hinges. Whether you believe that your god could move mountains or not isn't the point, as you have conveniently forgotten. I'm not making much of anything, I'm merely seeking clarity, which when discussing anything with you is like trying to get blood out of a stone, metaphorically speaking.
So Jesus thought that ...[text shortened]... s (truly truly) a door, and that people were actually sheep; in the face of that, who needs reality?
@kellyjay saidThe problem with you, KellyJay, is that for years here you have insisted that everything in the Bible is literally true. Nowadays you are saying some things are metaphorical and not literally true. But you are too prideful to admit your stance has shifted and be crystal clear about it.
I acknowledge metaphoric statements and you don't understand.
Instead, because you are inarticulate and not ALWAYS a straight-up guy, you choose to wave a victim card, pretend you have NOT contradicted yourself, pretend you HAVE been consistent, and you resort to bristling and blaming people for misunderstanding you.
@fmf saidAnd some things in the mind of KellyJay have now become literal and metaphorical at the same time; surely the ultimate fudge....
The problem with you, KellyJay, is that for years here you have insisted that everything in the Bible is literally true. Nowadays you are saying some things are metaphorical and not literally true. But you are too prideful to admit your stance has shifted and be crystal clear about it.
Instead, because you are inarticulate and not ALWAYS a straight-up guy, you choose to wave ...[text shortened]... d you HAVE been consistent, and you resort to bristling and blaming people for misunderstanding you.
P.S. See you tomorrow.
@indonesia-phil saidTo begin with, I have NEVER said everything in the scripture is literal, that is something a few on here proclaim, but any search where my words are taken in the context that will not be the case. I have explained the point that metaphors were used, there are also dreams, parables, visions, and so on, but there is history too, it all must be taken in context.
And some things in the mind of KellyJay have now become literal and metaphorical at the same time; surely the ultimate fudge....
P.S. See you tomorrow.
If you think that verse cannot be both literal and metaphorical fine, if being literal and metaphorical are at odds with one another then that one, take it literally.
@fmf saidHow kind of you to provide everyone with the narrative that you think they should believe.
The problem with you, KellyJay, is that for years here you have insisted that everything in the Bible is literally true. Nowadays you are saying some things are metaphorical and not literally true. But you are too prideful to admit your stance has shifted and be crystal clear about it.
Instead, because you are inarticulate and not ALWAYS a straight-up guy, you choose to wave ...[text shortened]... d you HAVE been consistent, and you resort to bristling and blaming people for misunderstanding you.