The "free gift"

@fmf said
Rajk999 is a better advocate for his beliefs than you are for yours.

Thanks ... that is because I focus on what Jesus said. Its simple, it cannot be twisted and it is the truth that leads to eternal life. These church jokers have a twisted mouth worshipping doctrine that leads to damnation.

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For example ? Actually I have quoted from some of these, but nobody was interested.

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I have often referred to certain principles stated in some of these old Jewish texts. Once I remember starting a thread called "Tales from the Apocrypha". One of the stories I posted was one where Jesus as a child was travelling with his mother Mary and was stopped by bandits. One of the bandits pleaded with the chief bandit not to rob these people. When they were allowed to go, Jesus told his mother that these 2 bandits will be crucified with him on the cross, and the one that pleaded for him will be with him in paradise.

Many Christians laughed at that story, as they are a narrowminded bunch, refusing to believe that anyone was capable of writing true stories about the life of Christ, and only what was written in the "bible" must be true.

This story if true actually contradicts the church doctrine that a mouth profession of faith is sufficient for eternal life. Jesus obviously knew this man and it is his good deed, and likely other good deeds that he did that is the reason for Jesus accepting him.

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Thanks. Disagreement is good too. Its how we learn. Regarding the bible issue, it is a big joke to be honest. The Apostles used one, the early church used another, the early Roman Catholics had yet another. King James produced 2 more, Some churches write their own and make changes to suit their dogma. and in the last 100 yrs dozens more came out, all significantly different and yet all claim to be correct. It is no wonder people laugh at Christians.

Regarding what is included and what is not... there are many writings by men who had the Holy Spirit. Whether or not it was included in the bible is irrelevant. The books help to widen ones understanding of events, which is the only way to escape the garbage preached in churches today.

@rajk999 said
For example ? Actually I have quoted from some of these, but nobody was interested.

What text do you put before Bible?

@kellyjay said
When something can be true in two different ways, claiming either is true does not cancel the other. Find something worth talking about, you going on and on about something that doesn't matter hardly at all.

So when you state that you believe something is not a metaphor which is actually a metaphor, we are not to take your beliefs seriously. In truth I don't think anyone here takes your beliefs seriously anyway, but it's good to have clarification.

If you don't think the subject of your beliefs is worth talking about, then stop talking about them.

And by the way, if something 'doesn't matter hardly at all' then how much does it matter?

@kellyjay said
Was there a point in that statement? What we think about anything centers on the fact that something is or isn't true, which is different from the reality of what we are thinking about. Just because I have a thought about something doesn't change anything about the truthfulness of the topic, if all you got is I have an opinion about something, you too have thoughts about thi ...[text shortened]... not. The fact you can have an opinion is not the issue, it is if what we believe is or is not valid.

There is no 'validity' to any belief other than the belief itself, it proves nothing and is evidence for nothing. By definition, there is no more truth in any belief as opposed to any other, which is why the word 'belief' exists in the English language.

@indonesia-phil said
There is no 'validity' to any belief other than the belief itself, it proves nothing and is evidence for nothing. By definition, there is no more truth in any belief as opposed to any other, which is why the word 'belief' exists in the English language.

The truth stands independent of our beliefs which is why what we put our faith in is important not that we have beliefs.

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The 1611 version and the 1769 version ARE the "traditional" bible.

@indonesia-phil said
So when you state that you believe something is not a metaphor which is actually a metaphor, we are not to take your beliefs seriously. In truth I don't think anyone here takes your beliefs seriously anyway, but it's good to have clarification.

If you don't think the subject of your beliefs is worth talking about, then stop talking about them.

And by the way, if something 'doesn't matter hardly at all' then how much does it matter?

Jesus saying He a door is a metaphor he does not also have a door knob and hinges making it both real and a metaphor, telling us God can move mountains was I believe a metaphor, however, that one He could do, so both are true, you are making much of something quite a little. Not sure why you'd talk about it more often than when you bring up science and cannot explain reality without God, or how the information in life got there to direct the processes or the fine-tuning in life, instead its mountains and snake with you.

John 10:7
So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

@suzianne said
The 1611 version and the 1769 version ARE the "traditional" bible.

Nice seeing you back!