@suzianne saidIn the Old Testament and through into New Testament times the Hebrews stoned homosexuals to death because of a written command which they believed was from God.
This is an extremely trite way to say you're not a hypocrite.
But you are, so your complaint floats as well as a lead ingot.
Were the stonings a righteous act of obedience, yes or no?
What’s the matter Suzianne, too tough a question for you?
@divegeester saidTrick question.
In the Old Testament and through into New Testament times the Hebrews stoned homosexuals to death because of a written command which they believed was from God.
Were the stonings a righteous act of obedience, yes or no?
Obedience, yes. Righteous, no.
@divegeester saidNoting hypocrisy is not a rant.
You gonna have a go at answering my question or just rant?
@divegeester saidWas it God's instruction?
Of course it’s not a trick question! It goes right to the heart of the hypocrisy Christians like you, KellyJay and Josephw display all the time here.
So God’s instruction to stone homosexuals wasn’t righteous?
Is this too deep for you?
Full passage: and for me one of the most powerful in the Bible and the crux of what Christianity is.
At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
@divegeester saidVery true... its the crux of Christianity. In a nutshell:
Full passage: and for me one of the most powerful in the Bible and the crux of what Christianity is.
At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Tea ...[text shortened]... e said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
- we are all sinners condemned to die
- Jesus saved us and gave us an opportunity to live
- We are required to give up the life of sin.
@divegeester saidAre you high?
You cannot assert that being bisexual and supporting gay rights is righteous, whilst simultaneously holding that God’s commands to execute homosexuals is righteous.
Can’t you people see this!?
I said no, it wasn't righteous. How do you know it was God's command?
Didn't Jesus stop the stoning of that woman?
The more telling part of that passage is that a few here would throw the first stone even though they were not without sin themselves. You seem to have missed the entire point. Retribution for sin is not the main message of Jesus' ministry, no matter how many, even here, would wish it so. All those who want the woman stoned seem to think they are without sin, or that the woman's sin is somehow greater than their own. These are the people to whom Jesus will say on that last day, "I never knew you."
@divegeester saidAha, then you expose your own hypocrisy.
Like Relentless Red you don’t seem to understand what hypocrisy is Suzianne.
You are undoubtedly, and by a wide margin, the biggest hypocrite in all of these forums.
I am not a hypocrite. You are, since you use the word as a tool to mold others' opinions, not as it was meant to be used. Thus your own hypocrisy is clear.
@suzianne saidThe meaning you extract from this story about the stoning of the woman guilty of adultery, judging by when and why you wield it, appears to be that Christians cannot be expected to be clear about what is and isn't "sin".
The more telling part of that passage is that a few here would throw the first stone even though they were not without sin themselves. You seem to have missed the entire point. Retribution for sin is not the main message of Jesus' ministry, no matter how many, even here, would wish it so. All those who want the woman stoned seem to think they are without sin, or that the ...[text shortened]... r than their own. These are the people to whom Jesus will say on that last day, "I never knew you."
Defining what "fornication" is and isn't, is not a debate about what "retribution for sin" there will be or whether wrongdoers ought to be stoned or witches burned.
Defining what "fornication" is and isn't, is about what is and isn't "sinful" according to Christian teaching and belief.
Jesus talking about people not throwing the first stone unless they were without sin themselves does not alter the fact that what the woman was accused of was "sinful".
And it's still "sinful" two centuries later, right?
