The Trump Classified Records Indictment

@metal-brain said
@no1marauder
Once again. What official proceeding? Be specific.

There was none therefore Biden couldn't have violated the statute you cited (but apparently didn't read).

@metal-brain said
Biden was withholding classified documents for years. How soon he handed them over after he got caught does not change the fact he withheld classified documents he was not supposed to have. That is like saying you should not be charged with possession of cocaine because you handed it over sooner than the other guy.

Withholding a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(b)(2)(A), 2)

Once again, do you think Biden should be charged for Withholding a Document or Record?

Withholding implies knowingly doing something. There's no evidence Biden schemed to retain those documents....unlike Trump.

@no1marauder said
There was none therefore Biden couldn't have violated the statute you cited (but apparently didn't read).

WOW! You are being unusually evasive even for you.
You know fully well I was asking about Trump.

Once again. What official proceeding?

@vivify said
Withholding implies knowingly doing something. There's no evidence Biden schemed to retain those documents....unlike Trump.

So he forgot he took them and had them in his garage along with his Corvette?
Are you asserting a dementia defense?

@metal-brain said
So he forgot he took them and had them in his garage along with his Corvette?
Are you asserting a dementia defense?

He's an old guy, right? Is that so hard to believe?

Besides, it seems to happen to a lot people, like Mike Pence:

https://apnews.com/article/politics-michael-pence-classified-documents-indiana-7b3bfba7cdd8d9d8fd828045ab3208e6

@metal-brain said
WOW! You are being unusually evasive even for you.
You know fully well I was asking about Trump.

Once again. What official proceeding?

No, I didn't; you cited the law as something Biden could be charged with.

In Trump's case it was the Grand Jury which was convened on April 26,2022 and which issued the subpoena on May 11, 2022 that Trump knowingly withheld documents from.

@no1marauder said
No, I didn't; you cited the law as something Biden could be charged with.

In Trump's case it was the Grand Jury which was convened on April 26,2022 and which issued the subpoena on May 11, 2022 that Trump knowingly withheld documents from.

That was pending a legal attempt to assert executive privilege. Delaying pending a legal proceeding is arguably not withholding. It was merely a delay. What was the bloody hurry? Biden had his longer and he was not POTUS. He was not supposed to have any at all. Was Biden selling classified information to China?

@vivify said
He's an old guy, right? Is that so hard to believe?

Besides, it seems to happen to a lot people, like Mike Pence:

https://apnews.com/article/politics-michael-pence-classified-documents-indiana-7b3bfba7cdd8d9d8fd828045ab3208e6

So is Trump. He is old too, so maybe he just forgot.

That would explain why he voluntarily gave NARA the classified documents that got him in trouble in the first place. Wouldn't it?

@metal-brain said
That was pending a legal attempt to assert executive privilege. Delaying pending a legal proceeding is arguably not withholding. It was merely a delay. What was the bloody hurry? Biden had his longer and he was not POTUS. He was not supposed to have any at all. Was Biden selling classified information to China?

A mere assertion by a lawyer in a letter does not stay or delay the obligation to obey a legally issued subpoena; you have to file an action in the proper court objecting to the subpoena. Trump never did in response to the May 11, 2022 subpoena and he thus was legally obligated to comply with it (which he didn't).

@metal-brain said
So is Trump. He is old too, so maybe he just forgot.

That would explain why he voluntarily gave NARA the classified documents that got him in trouble in the first place. Wouldn't it?

1) Trump didn't forget to return documents he deliberately took them when he left the White House.

2) Trump was recorded admitting to knowing he didn't declassify those documents:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/trump-tape-didnt-declassify-secret-information/index.html

Donald Trump admits on tape he didn’t declassify ‘secret information’

It's not a case of "he just forgot" with Trump; this is deliberate criminality.

@no1marauder said
A mere assertion by a lawyer in a letter does not stay or delay the obligation to obey a legally issued subpoena; you have to file an action in the proper court objecting to the subpoena. Trump never did in response to the May 11, 2022 subpoena and he thus was legally obligated to comply with it (which he didn't).

So you claim.
Do you have any evidence to back that claim up? Source?

@vivify said
a) Trump didn't forget to return documents he deliberately took them when he left the White House.

b) There are transcripts of Trump admitting to knowing he didn't declassify those documents:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/trump-tape-didnt-declassify-secret-information/index.html

Donald Trump admits on tape he didn’t declassify ‘secret information’

So this is not a case of "he just forgot" with Trump; this is deliberate criminality.

You say Trump didn't forget and I say Biden didn't forget. Whenever anybody takes them it is deliberate, isn't it? Was Biden sleepwalking when he took them? LOL!

@metal-brain said
So you claim.
Do you have any evidence to back that claim up? Source?

The indictment you won't read.

@no1marauder said
The indictment you won't read.

I read the parts you cite. Cite another if you have the courage. It backfired on you last time because you didn't notice the date of something. You never read the whole indictment. It is too long unless you want to admit you have no life. Who do you think you are fooling?

Polly want a cracker? Repeat it again parrot man.

@metal-brain said
You say Trump didn't forget and I say Biden didn't forget. Whenever anybody takes them it is deliberate, isn't it? Was Biden sleepwalking when he took them? LOL!

Forget to return is not the same thing as deliberately took. Forgetting to return a library book is not as serious as deliberately leaving with it knowing you weren't cleared to have it.

Biden may or may not have remembered to return the docs but Trump deliberately took documents that he admitted on tape were not declassified. He then refused to return them when asked by NARA (unlike Biden who returned them immediately) and tried to get his lawyers to lie about having them.

No matter how much you flop around there is no equivalence between Trump and Biden.