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  1. Subscribermoonbus
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    15 Mar '19 05:11
    @ghost-of-a-duke said

    Edit: The answer sir is 'never.' We have already had the referendum that the government said was a once in a generation event that would be duly implemented.
    Parliament cannot bind future parliaments. Therefore, any future parliament could hold another referendum, the result of which might undo the previous referendum result.

    https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/
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    15 Mar '19 05:16
    @duchess64 said
    Many Westerners (at least Americans and Britons) tend to be too insecure to accept
    any honest objective criticism of their shortcomings (at least outside sports).
    Although American students tend to lag behind students on average in many other
    countries, they and their parents often expect to be flattered as the best in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel%E2% ...[text shortened]...
    even if they could not understand its proof. Galois theory is usually learned in graduate school.
    When I was at high school I learned how to drink like a trooper, perform cunnilingus to porn-star perfection and how to dress like a disasterous cross between Springsteen, Rambo and the blond girl from ABBA.

    This mathematics you talk about... never heard of it. Counting is for wussies!
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    15 Mar '19 07:351 edit
    @shallow-blue said
    Sky... my House of Lords. Next thing you'll be quoting Piers "Morgan" Moron. (As for "big business", I don't recall bringing them up. Take that up with your reject from the Caledonian Colony.)

    But leavers wanting to leave? Of course not! If you'd been honest and just wanted to leave, you'd have done so already. No, you want to leave just those parts of the EU it suits ...[text shortened]... ave it. The only difference is the flavour of the cake, and the pompousness of the leavers' whining.
    I think you are misusing the term “free market” amidst your attempt to deflect from my reply to you that it is remainers not leavers who are preventing us from leaving.

    I can also see that you’ve sort of maneuvoured your way into sort of agreeing with me in a sort of roundabout sort of way while throwing out countermeasures comments about Sky and Piers Morgan in reply to my bonafide reference to Shell bonuses for “big business”.

    Same old same old.
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    15 Mar '19 07:36
    @shavixmir said
    - brexiteers remain uncomfortably obnoxius.
    Coming from you this just has to be satire.
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    15 Mar '19 07:39
    @indonesia-phil said
    What we need is a few men with pikes to clear the house, maybe lock a few of them up in the tower until they see some sense. Do they still allow torture these days, or have we gone soft on that sort of thing? If it was good enough for Henry VIII......
    Gradually, very gradually, the referendum vote is being overturned. And while remainers will preen and crow as this happens the damage to our constitution is fundamental, the public’s confidence in the democratic process eroded for generations and we take another furtive step closer to civil unrest.
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    15 Mar '19 08:06
    @shavixmir said
    You don’t understand the concept of “not legally binding.”

    Nor do you understand that democracy can only work when choices are based on correct information.
    In that case, democracy cannot work full stop, because the voting public is never well-informed. In English-speaking countries in particular (but not exclusively) the public seems not to even want to be informed, preferring the rhetoric of the tabloids to a real debate.
    In Brexit, we did see this quite clearly: it was not only known, but publicly stated, that most of the promises of Leave were either impossible pipe dreams (separate trade deals) or downright lies (the bus). The public, though, chose to believe them rather than be informed. (Meanwhile, Remain was guilty of its own exaggerations, though it didn't promise Free Cake.)

    In fact, the idea behind democracy is that misinformation is not a real problem as long as it is spread randomly. Noise pulls in all directions and balances out. This is why intentional misinformation campaign as perpetrated by Fox and NewsCorp and on Facebook and Twitter are so damaging to democracy: they skew the lies, and almost always in the direction of the (radical) right.
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    15 Mar '19 08:09
    @indonesia-phil said
    So, another meaningful vote on 'the deal', clearly the first two weren't quite meaningful enough.
    In fact, your scare quotes are in the wrong place. The Deal is real, or would be if Albion weren't so perfidious. It's the "meaningful" votes which aren't.
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    15 Mar '19 08:09
    On side note Jeremy Corbyn is a shameless political mollusc.

    “Following the votes, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn reiterated his support for a further referendum after earlier ordering his MPs not to vote for one.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47576813
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    @shallow-blue said
    In that case, democracy cannot work full stop, because the voting public is never well-informed. In English-speaking countries in particular (but not exclusively) the public seems not to even want to be informed, preferring the rhetoric of the tabloids to a real debate.
    In Brexit, we did see this quite clearly: it was not only known, but publicly stated, that most of th ...[text shortened]... amaging to democracy: they skew the lies, and almost always in the direction of the (radical) right.
    You continue to insult the British people with your sweeping generalisations of the millions who voted Leave as though it somehow makes you sound intelligent.
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    15 Mar '19 08:16
    @divegeester said
    I think you are misusing the term “free market” amidst your attempt to deflect from my reply to you that it is remainers not leavers who are preventing us from leaving.
    The Leavers are in power. It is you, not the Remainers, who are rejecting the Deal and delaying Brexit. The only part of this I agree with you on is that you should leave already; but it's becoming ever more obvious that you Leavers are dishonest even about that, and are merely looking fot an excuse to blame someone else (Europe, Remain, it'll be Trump or Russia next) for your ien lack of balls.

    It' you Leavers, not Remain, which has the task of getting on with Brexit; so you, not they or us, are to blame when you bottle it.
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    @divegeester said
    Gradually, very gradually, the referendum vote is being overturned. And while remainers will preen and crow as this happens the damage to our constitution is fundamental, the public’s confidence in the democratic process eroded for generations and we take another furtive step closer to civil unrest.
    Ah. They turn from whining about unfair treatment to threat of riots.

    You Leavers really are Trump's children, aren't you?
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    15 Mar '19 08:38
    @shallow-blue said
    The Leavers are in power. It is you, not the Remainers, who are rejecting the Deal and delaying Brexit.
    How did you come to this conclusion?
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    @shallow-blue said
    Ah. They turn from whining about unfair treatment to threat of riots.
    I’m not threatening anything, what are you talking about?
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    15 Mar '19 08:411 edit
    @shallow-blue said
    It' you Leavers, not Remain, which has the task of getting on with Brexit; so you, not they or us, are to blame when you bottle it.
    Your use of “us” is a bit silly considering you are not a UK voter.

    You should explain how Leavers “bottling it” is preventing the UK leaving.
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    15 Mar '19 08:47
    @duchess64 said
    Ghost of a Duke is very disingenuous as usual, hoping to deceive the gullible and mathematically ignorant.
    I suspect that almost all readers here are deeply mathematically ignorant.

    "So please find a GENERAL SOLUTION for the quintic equation."
    --Duchess64

    Ghost of a Duke has NOT answered my question. Instead, he has dishonestly distorted it.

    In fact, it has bee ...[text shortened]... uintic equation.
    That does NOT mean, of course, that EVERY POSSIBLE quintic equation is unsolvable.
    How about a trade-off? I'll search for a general solution to the quintic equation if you search for your sense of humour?
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