@metal-brainsaid " If some people decided not to take advantage of it, that was their choice."
But they made that choice before they knew they could get student loan forgiveness. That means people who declined because it was too much money are being penalized for not being foolish and you are rewarding people with poor judgement and/or intellectually challenged. Aren't the former the p ...[text shortened]... e obvious solution is for government to provide free education.
If Cuba can afford it the USA can.
I'm not even going to bother with the immense illogic of this post; no we don't want people in college who don't want to be there.
@no1maraudersaid I'm not even going to bother with the immense illogic of this post; no we don't want people in college who don't want to be there.
Marauder, could you please reckon with MB comment that when the loan decisions were made, they did not anticipate that they would get this forgiveness?
@averagejoe1said Marauder, could you please reckon with MB comment that when the loan decisions were made, they did not anticipate that they would get this forgiveness?
Did them corporations that received those tax breaks from Trump anticipate them when they formed themselves into corporations?
The same corporations that squeeze a profit from the education and skills those students had to pay for instead of getting apprenticeships from them corporations?
@no1maraudersaid I'm not even going to bother with the immense illogic of this post; no we don't want people in college who don't want to be there.
If they looked into a student loan they wanted to be there. They only declined because of the high cost. If they had known student loan forgiveness was in the future they would have borrowed the money. Now you have people in college that are not smart enough to do a competent cost/benefit analysis. Not the brightest of students.
@averagejoe1said Marauder, could you please reckon with MB comment that when the loan decisions were made, they did not anticipate that they would get this forgiveness?
No, because it is pointless.
People who decided not to go to college would not have made a different decision based on the off-chance that at some indefinite time in future there might be some limited forgiveness of some part of student loan debt that they might or might not take out.
@metal-brainsaid If they looked into a student loan they wanted to be there. They only declined because of the high cost. If they had known student loan forgiveness was in the future they would have borrowed the money. Now you have people in college that are not smart enough to do a competent cost/benefit analysis. Not the brightest of students.
If people decided they'd be better off without a college education that's on them. Their past choices should have no influence on what is wise public policy now.
@kevcvs57said Did them corporations that received those tax breaks from Trump anticipate them when they formed themselves into corporations?
The same corporations that squeeze a profit from the education and skills those students had to pay for instead of getting apprenticeships from them corporations?
Great . Let’s discuss that issue, which first means of course we have to list totally irrelevant factors not related to the issue at hand. Certainly you do not think that the legislators, when looking at these two issues involving money , would have the same common denominators.
@no1maraudersaid If people decided they'd be better off without a college education that's on them. Their past choices should have no influence on what is wise public policy now.
There you go again. You think people years ago, sat down and made an educated decision on whether or not to go to college, having decided they would be better off if they did not go to college. Is that what you are saying?
@averagejoe1said There you go again. You think people years ago, sat down and made an educated decision on whether or not to go to college, having decided they would be better off if they did not go to college. Is that what you are saying?
Yes.
There's been ample funding for people who wanted to go to college in the US for at least 50 years.
@no1maraudersaid Maybe you would go to a heart surgeon who skipped all that unnecessary education.
A better educated populace is a positive externality and money spent to educate the People is well spent. It was created and maintained by the democratically elected representatives of the People.
Of course, what better way to maintain control over "the People" than to be in control of their education. And if the lessons don't stick the government should also provide (at the taxpayers expense) centers of re-education.
@averagejoe1said The lib logic in this thread is non-existent.
(I recently posted this in the GF. It bears repeating here)
I blame the government subsidized (i.e. controlled) educational system. A college degree used to mean something, now it's just an expensive trophy to hang on the wall.
@kilroy70said Of course, what better way to maintain control over "the People" than to be in control of their education. And if the lessons don't stick the government should also provide (at the taxpayers expense) centers of re-education.
If you would continue this post with "they should just watch fox news or breitbart for real education" i would complete my "dumb crap conservatives say" bingo card
@zahlanzisaid If you would continue this post with "they should just watch fox news or breitbart for real education" i would complete my "dumb crap conservatives say" bingo card
China has government funded centers for re-education. It seems to work for accomplishing the Chinese governments goals, so maybe it could work for us as well.
What do you think, comrade? In time we might be able to completely eradicate all right wing news sources.
@averagejoe1said Great . Let’s discuss that issue, which first means of course we have to list totally irrelevant factors not related to the issue at hand. Certainly you do not think that the legislators, when looking at these two issues involving money , would have the same common denominators.
But they are exactly the same why were corporations given tax breaks that they couldn’t possibly of anticipated, if I had know about the tax breaks I might have started a corporation.
Just trying to get you to see how utterly stupid your stance is Joe we pay our money and make our choices.
My point about apprenticeships was deadly serious though
@zahlanzisaid If you would continue this post with "they should just watch fox news or breitbart for real education" i would complete my "dumb crap conservatives say" bingo card
Tell us something you have heard on Breitbart that is fake news. I can’t wait to hear it. But you won’t send it.
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