@sonship said
If we say "James said faith without works is DEAD" it is ALSO true that Paul, the architect of the doctrine of Justification by faith, also said, in the section about sanctification in Romans - THAT the mind of the Christian SET on his fallen flesh instead of his regenerated spirit is death.

The audience is Christian believers, disciple of Jesus Chris ...[text shortened]... e agreement here between the two apostles ? Both are speaking to an audience of believers in Christ.

We don't need Rajk999 to continue considering James 2:14-26. Let him say "Satanic" and leave. However, to the question of his - Is faith without works dead? Recall that I gave a resounding "Yes, it is True". Then I began some explanation of:
1.) How I regard it as True
2.) Does it's being True make other statement about Justification (ie. in Romans and Galatians) False.

I'll continue on my own thread James 2:14-26 because this analysis and discussion is far from What do you have to [lose]?


James 2:14-26

@dj2becker

The risk of putting your faith in God is you waste your one life. Fine. Go for it.

The risk of mankind, the human race putting its faith in God is much greater and much more unfortunate. For you get a species then that cares nothing for itself or the planet it lives on. A species that does not honor itself and does not seek to be the best kind of species it could be: a species that doesn't dare to dream of greatness, that doesn't see the vast and infinite universe stretching out from it in all directions and envision it too as home.

Instead what you get is a bunch of people who have given up on life and existence and wish only to leave it and go to heaven.

@americalost said
Instead what you get is a bunch of people who have given up on life and existence and wish only to leave it and go to heaven.

@americalost said
@dj2becker

The risk of putting your faith in God is you waste your one life. Fine. Go for it.

The risk of mankind, the human race putting its faith in God is much greater and much more unfortunate. For you get a species then that cares nothing for itself or the planet it lives on. A species that does not honor itself and does not seek to be the best kind of species ...[text shortened]... bunch of people who have given up on life and existence and wish only to leave it and go to heaven.

@fmf said
There is an intriguing agglomeration of Christians on this message board ~ not all of them, of course ~ who are of a curiously narcissistic, misanthropic, impotent and [as result] joylessly sanctimonious kind. They are not typical of most of the Christians I have had the privilege of being around during my life. This place is a backwater where several weak and bitter religionists hold court and recoil from anything which doesn't provide the echo chamber they seek.

@suzianne said
"They are not typical of most of the Christians I have had the privilege of being around during my life."

And yet, when I asked you a rather specific question about this recently in another thread, you specifically avoided saying this exact thing.

@suzianne said
I knew this was what you thought, I just wanted to hear you say it, so of course you chose not to say it just to play games with me.

@suzianne said
You chose instead to remain unclear and murky in your stance, because God forbid you actually deign to have a clear, meaningful conversation with me.

@suzianne said
You choose to be more honest with this person who is probably not a Christian than you've ever been with me, and, contrary to your repeated assertions, this says far more about you than me.

@americalost said
The risk of putting your faith in God is you waste your one life. Fine. Go for it.

@fmf said
As it happens, I see you as a walk-the-walk Christian, Suzianne, whose online persona here is somewhat marred by your predilection for hostility for the sake of hostility.

I certainly do not lump you in with the ugly, arid, duckspeaking talk-the-talk and massively unimpressive regurgitators like SecondSon, KellyJay, dj2becker, Eladar, sonship, whodey [and others].

@fmf said
Faith in God gives billions of people meaning and purpose in life; it gives them structure; it gives them pointers for their moral compasses; it more often than not gives them a sense of community and belonging; it offers solace or a distraction from the ominous and ever-approaching reality of death; meanwhile life goes on, it gets lived, it takes its course, and people do stuff ...[text shortened]... g degrees. I cannot see how "putting your faith in God" can be described as "wasting your one life".

@dj2becker said
How do you find your life to be better now compared to when you put your faith in God?

@FMF

Faith in God gives billions of people meaning and purpose in life; it gives them structure; it gives them pointers for their moral compasses; it more often than not gives them a sense of community and belonging;