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For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
@dj2becker saidWhich the 40,000 Christian sects does one have to join in order to put their trust in God [as you say] ? Can someone avoid the corrupt, sick and evil churches and bypass them and put their trust in God privately?
For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
@dj2becker saidWhat are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? ...What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people?
For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
In your mind, what exactly does "putting your trust in God" entail?
In your mind, what exactly does "putting your faith in Jesus" entail?
@dj2becker saidDo you mean "putting your faith" or "trust" in Christian values and social norms? You say you are addressing non-believers, so presumably you accept they simply don't believe what you believe.
For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
Jesus died 2,000 years ago. Even if there is a creator being, I don't find any of the claims of "revealed" religion - that such a 'deity' has communicated its wishes or instructions to humanity - to be credible. Your post sounds like you are suggesting that non-believers pretend that they believe.
14 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidSeatbelts, shoelaces, knots, pent-up frustration, ...
For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
Oh. You meant "lose".
Lots of things.
Years of wasted effort following a spiritual path that did not work for me.
Looking ridiculous in front of people trying to speak to a make-believe person, or speaking in a made-up language as if it were real. [lucky even christian me was careful not to do this around that many people]
All the money I gave as offerings [at least, the dollars that weren't spent on helping people].
Also, I think you know very well that most people don't have 100% faith in anyone, even themselves, and you're asking them to have 100% faith in Jesus. Having 100% faith in anything is suspect on the face of it. There should always be room for a little doubt. It's healthy.
14 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidHow, exactly, does a person put their trust in an entity they don’t believe exists?
What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God?
14 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidPascal's Wager is a no-go.
For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
If you give it enough thought, I bet you could even figure out why.
14 Oct 19
@bigdoggproblem saidYou know, it wouldn't even be soooooo bad, if people DID put their trust 100% in Jesus.
Seatbelts, shoelaces, knots, pent-up frustration, ...
Oh. You meant "lose".
Lots of things.
Years of wasted effort following a spiritual path that did not work for me.
Looking ridiculous in front of people trying to speak to a make-believe person, or speaking in a made-up language as if it were real. [lucky even christian me was careful not to do this around ...[text shortened]... anything is suspect on the face of it. There should always be room for a little doubt. It's healthy.
What happens in Christianity right now, and I mean a LOT, is that people put their trust and belief in what they THINK (or even what someone told them) God or Jesus is. This is how you get these bizarre dangerous sects, and for that matter, even the non-dangerous ones are still insidious in how many people they snare into their bizarro dogmas. Even on the mildly different side, this is why there is something like 400 divisions of Christianity. This is nuts. Jesus was ONE guy. Follow HIM. That's all. The rest is just BS.
14 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidYou are asking me to put my trust in something I don't believe in, simply because I have nothing to lose by doing so?!
For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God? People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
As a believer in a fictional deity, what do 'you' have to lose putting your trust instead in bacon rolls?
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For me it’s a no brainer. What are the risks if any of putting your trust in God?
As I recall my struggle, I think the risk is that I would not be the center of the universe. The throne of authority in existence was occupied by ME. The risk is a sense of autonomy will be lost.
What is not realized is that a great Love awaits to place you in a more comfortable place. But without God's mercy it is really, really HARD to see that.
Who can? Without revelation, no one can, I think.
People will always let you down, yet we still trust them. We even trust people that we have never seen or met sometimes. What do you have to loose by putting your faith in Jesus rather than in yourself and other people? This question is aimed specifically at non believers.
Remember C.S. Lewis recalled his days as an atheist. He said if you told him he was searching for God it would sound to him like a mouse searching for a cat!
14 Oct 19
@suzianne saidJesus was ONE guy. Follow HIM. That's all. The rest is just BS.
You know, it wouldn't even be soooooo bad, if people DID put their trust 100% in Jesus.
What happens in Christianity right now, and I mean a LOT, is that people put their trust and belief in what they THINK (or even what someone told them) God or Jesus is. This is how you get these bizarre dangerous sects, and for that matter, even the non-dangerous ones are still insidio ...[text shortened]... of Christianity. This is nuts. Jesus was ONE guy. Follow HIM. That's all. The rest is just BS.
You say this, yet over the years you've opposed my efforts to advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus. Have you rethought your position?