26 Mar 23
"No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes." Psalm 101:7 ESV
Now, I'm sure our recent returner who has lied repeatedly about previously being banned from the site has justified his lies to himself. No doubt he has told himself that lying to atheists doesn't really count as lying. The problem is, however, he has also lied to other Christians.
Is lying no big thing to you Christian chaps? Is that the message non-believers should take away, that the holy spirit that has transformed the believer isn't really that bothered about falsehoods?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDefinitely not acceptable in both the old and new testaments, in fact I believe it is written somewhere that Satan is the father of lies. However if the only thing stopping a person from lying is their religion, then that’s a bit of a sorry state of affairs.
"No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes." Psalm 101:7 ESV
Now, I'm sure our recent returner who has lied repeatedly about previously being banned from the site has justified his lies to himself. No doubt he has told himself that lying to atheists doesn't really count as lying. The problem is, howeve ...[text shortened]... that the holy spirit that has transformed the believer isn't really that bothered about falsehoods?
Other instructions:
- Obey the laws of the land - driving speed limits for example
- Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar - pay your taxes as they are due and in full.
Etc and so on.
26 Mar 23
1 edit
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot okay to be deceitful, that is acting out hiding truth. I will also add having a wrong idea about something and speaking what you mistakenly think is true is not lying if you admit you could be wrong. Saying something is truth and is not while claiming to know is, as your misrepresenting claims that are not reality.
"No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes." Psalm 101:7 ESV
Now, I'm sure our recent returner who has lied repeatedly about previously being banned from the site has justified his lies to himself. No doubt he has told himself that lying to atheists doesn't really count as lying. The problem is, howeve ...[text shortened]... that the holy spirit that has transformed the believer isn't really that bothered about falsehoods?
@kellyjay saidSure, but a wilful lie is unchristian, right?
Not okay to be deceitful, that is acting out hiding truth. I will also add having a wrong idea about something and speaking what you mistakenly think is true is not lying. Saying something is truth and is not while claiming to know is, as your misrepresenting claims that are not reality.
PlanterMoo believes the new covenant has given him carte blanche to tell lies, that only the OT forbid being a liar. You agree with that?
26 Mar 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou’re still in the Old Testament, Ghost of a Deuce.
Sure, but a wilful lie is unchristian, right?
Lying is not Ok, but it doesn’t jeopardize one’s salvation. Do you know nothing about the New Covenant and New Testament?
As God’s Holy Spirit indwells and changes the hearts of believers, they will become more and more like Him, but they will still stumble as long as they’re in the flesh - the Apostle Paul said as much in Romans 7 and Galatians.
26 Mar 23
@plantermoo saidYour God is an unchanging God. Don't you know that? He has said clearly that He hates liars.
You’re still in the Old Testament, Ghost of a Deuce.
Lying is not Ok, but it doesn’t jeopardize one’s salvation. Do you know nothing about the New Covenant and New Testament?
As God’s Holy Spirit indwells and changes the hearts of believers, they will become more and more like Him, but they will still stumble as long as they’re in the flesh - the Apostle Paul said as much in Romans 7 and Galatians.
This in mind, one would think you would go out of your way to be truthful.
26 Mar 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSelective quoting?
Are you a previously banned member?
Troll someone else, sparky.
26 Mar 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou know nothing about me, Ghost of a Deuce.
Your God is an unchanging God. Don't you know that? He has said clearly that He hates liars.
This in mind, one would think you would go out of your way to be truthful.
26 Mar 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNever said that, but misrepresenting what a Christian has said and believes is one of the tools in your trolling toolbox.
Sure, but a wilful lie is unchristian, right?
PlanterMoo believes the new covenant has given him carte blanche to tell lies, that only the OT forbid being a liar. You agree with that?
Have another productive day trolling on the Internet - PlanterMoo’s got things to do!
26 Mar 23
@plantermoo saidYou realise, when you call me 'deuce,' you have chosen an unfortunate username that rhymes with poo?
You know nothing about me, Ghost of a Deuce.
But that aside, why, as a previously banned member, have you returned yet again to troll these forums? It's almost as if you seek out ridicule and rejection.
@plantermoo saidNonsense. You wrote this:
Never said that, but misrepresenting what a Christian has said and believes is one of the tools in your trolling toolbox.
"Those verses you cited are from the Old Testament and were written centuries before Jesus Christ instituted the New Covenant through His sacrificial and sin-atoning death on the cross."
Hence believing the new covenant has given you carte blanche to tell lies.
26 Mar 23
@plantermoo saidYou’ve been given a NT scripture by me in the other thread.
You’re still in the Old Testament
26 Mar 23
@divegeester saidWell type it here, jocko.
You’ve been given a NT scripture by me in the other thread.
Do you expect me to search hither and yon for your little pearl of wisdom?
26 Mar 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou think Christians only act as they do out of a fear of losing their salvation? Christianity’s about a relationship between a believer and Jesus Christ and, as such, believers want to do what pleases Him, though occasionally they will stumble.
Nonsense. You wrote this:
"Those verses you cited are from the Old Testament and were written centuries before Jesus Christ instituted the New Covenant through His sacrificial and sin-atoning death on the cross."
Hence believing the new covenant has given you carte blanche to tell lies.
Do you have carte blanche to tell lies to people you love and who love you? Why not?