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@divegeester

To repeat for others here -

I have written a dozen times that I know not for sure that today anyone on another planet exists.

@sonship said
@divegeester

To repeat for others here -

I have written a dozen times that I know not for sure that today anyone on another planet exists.

There is no need to "walk back" what was stated many times before.
I do not dogmatically insist on extraterrestrial life on any biblical bases.

@divegeester

“The lost will be hung in chains of punishment as deterrent to other worlds”?

@sonship said
@divegeester

“The lost will be hung in chains of punishment as deterrent to other worlds”?

Where in this sentence does it say anything like - "I know for certain that there are beings on other planets today because the Bible teaches so."

Where does it say "ON other worlds" ?

Do you think there is a reason why the last book of the explicitly says that outside the New Jerusalem there are those in the lake of fire?

Blessed are those who wash their robes that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and makes a lie." (Rev. 22:14,15)

Doesn't it seem to you that there is some lesson to be demonstrated to the people or anyone else that there is a stark contrast in well being between those within the city and those excluded and "outside" ?

Why does it sound so preposterous to you that "deterrent" might be used to describe this manifestly dramatic contrast ?

If it is not necessary as a deterrent to those who came out of this age to enter into New Jerusalem, why does it seem preposterous that should (or if) God create other beings in the eternal age, it might be a deterrent to them?

The operative words there are "SHOULD" and "IF".

IF in God creating new heavens and new earth entails new humans being born in them or new beings or other ages or other worlds of any kind, why does it seem preposterous that God would leave a remnant of His judgment in the past to serve as a deterrent to anyone wanting to follow the same course of revolt ?

Why does that seem impossible to you? Because God's mercy endures forever as in Psalm 136?

Why then ?
Why do you think that can't be?

@divegeester said
So who on these other worlds are being deterred sonship?

Synonyms to the word DETERRENT are:

disincentive
discouragement
dissuasion
damper
brake
curb
check
restraint
obstacle
hindrance
impediment
obstruction
block
barrier
inhibition

Now let's consider in eternity future after the last judgment of (Rev. 20).

God says that those sons of God in the New Jerusalem will reign forever and ever. If there are THEN humans born or other beings created (over whom the sons of God reign forever and ever) why is it unthinkable that the specter of the results the Devil's rebellion is seen forever as a deterrent ?

Why does it seem impossible that any who did not live during the age of this conflict might examine the punished and receive some

disincentive
discouragement
dissuasion
damper
brake
curb
check
restraint
obstacle
hindrance
impediment
obstruction
block
barrier
inhibition

to them ever to consider following the same FAILED and JUDGED example?

@sonship said
Synonyms to the word DETERRENT are:

disincentive
discouragement
dissuasion
damper
brake
curb
check
restraint
obstacle
hindrance
impediment
obstruction
block
barrier
inhibition

Now let's consider in eternity future after the last judgment of (Rev. 20).

God says that those sons of God in the New Jerusalem will reign ...[text shortened]... barrier
inhibition [/b]

to them ever to consider following the same FAILED and JUDGED example?

@divegeester
Work on your laughter.
Since you won't answer my fair and reasonable questions to you.

And they are not "gotcha" questions.
They are let's see more light on the matter questions.

Anyone else can reply.

@sonship said
@divegeester
Work on your laughter.
Since you won't answer my fair and reasonable questions to you.

And they are not "gotcha" questions.
They are let's see more light on the matter questions.

Anyone else can reply.

"For as the new heavens and new earth, which I make, remain before Me, declares Jehovah, so your seed and your name remain,

And from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh will bow down before Me, says Jehovah.

Then they will go forth and look on the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against Me; For their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all flesh." (Isaiah 66:22-24)

Three questions:

1.) Are the lost confined or are they not confined and able to escape ?

2.) Are they known about to the rest of the inhabitants of that coming eternal age?

3.) Which is more likely: The spectacle is a deterrent, a disincentive, a hindrance, a restraint, check, or impediment to future revolt or it is not ?

Which is more likely ?

And a further question. If they are punished alive why does it say they will look upon their carcasses ? Doesn't carcasses mean that they are dead yet being punished ?

@divegeester said
So you aren’t comfortable with being held to account for your BS made up claims then?

@sonship said
So your gaslighting of me is not working to erase what the Bible said ?

@divegeester


Looked it up. Good enough to indicate the term as I understand it.
https://www.google.com/search?

Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that occurs in abusive relationships. It is an insidious and sometimes covert type of emotional abuse where the bully or abuser makes the target question their judgments and reality.1 Ultimately, the victim of gaslighting starts to wonder if they are losing their sanity.