@divegeester saidIt would be a strange code for living for a creator entity to require if the goodness of people "doing good things for [their] neighbours" somehow took a backseat to the divinely narcissistic notion of people having to "believe certain things" about the entity. To my way of thinking, anyway.
Which is most important doing good things for your neighbours or believing certain things about your God?
@divegeester saidFaith without works is dead.
I’m avoiding the terms “works” and “faith” to keep the principle more generic.
Which is most important doing good things for your neighbours or believing certain things about your God?
Blessed is the man that doeth His commandments
@rajk999 saidFaith without works is dead.
Faith without works is dead.
Blessed is the man that doeth His commandments
Blessed is the man that doeth His commandments
Correct; however:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourself: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8–9)
20 Jul 22
@kingdavid403 saidPersonally I put my faith in Jesus Christ. You are free to put yours in Paul. Bear in mind Paul also said, women are ... saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (1 Timothy 2:15 KJV). So carry on.
Faith without works is dead.
Blessed is the man that doeth His commandments
Correct; however:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourself: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8–9)
20 Jul 22
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@rajk999 saidSo, anything written by Paul in the Bible is false scriptures or something, in your opinion?
Personally I put my faith in Jesus Christ. You are free to put yours in Paul. Bear in mind Paul also said, women are ... saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (1 Timothy 2:15 KJV). So carry on.
So much for two-thirds of the New Testament huh?
Personally, I myself put my faith in Christ. You are free to put yours in James if you wish. However, you better ask God what He thinks about that first. While you're asking Him about that, ask Him about Paul's writings in the Bible, and if they are true; will you? lol OMG.
Bear in mind Paul also said, women are ... saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
There was much much more Paul said in this chapter.
I'm assuming Paul's somewhat condemnation of women in Ephesus, was because their main false god 'Artemis' was a woman; and, Paul and others clearly were having some kind of power struggle with the women there who worshiped this false god, and others; and Jesus also.. Ephesus was a wealthy city where women had much power in that society; more than most Greek Roman cities at that time.
@kingdavid403 saidSo much for two-thirds of the New Testament huh?
So, anything written by Paul in the Bible is false scriptures or something, in your opinion?
So much for two-thirds of the New Testament huh?
Yes, indeed. So much for all the Paul stuff.
27 Jul 22
The important thing being fear, it occurs first believing God. You might argue humanists have a well developed sense of compassion to where they can fear not doing enough to protect their fellow human beings. I don't sense that as much as something that comes from greater power than instinct. Both men and women seem to have a respect for power, and with it responsibility... the one is before since it leads organically to the other, or a wrong turn made somewhere. Also, worship is a profound experience that recognizes the truth about God, built on both of these characteristics. I'd say overall an act of belief matters the most.
27 Jul 22
@of-ants-and-imps saidDoes Muslim worship "recognize the truth about God" too?
Also, worship is a profound experience that recognizes the truth about God, built on both of these characteristics.
27 Jul 22
@of-ants-and-imps saidI think this may well be true.
You might argue humanists have a well developed sense of compassion to where they can fear not doing enough to protect their fellow human beings. I don't sense that as much as something that comes from greater power than instinct.
27 Jul 22
@FMF
Islamic beliefs stop short of recognizing Jesus as Savior, so they don't worship the same divine narrative. Don't they have a sacred memory, prayers offering them hope and altars similar to the Prophets of old? Thus they're akin to being followers of the Almighty.
@of-ants-and-imps saidWell, yeah, Muslims aren't Christians, if that's what you are getting at. It's just that you said: "Worship is a profound experience that recognizes the truth about God." So, It's only a "profound experience" for people who happen to subscribe to the same religion as you, right?
Islamic beliefs stop short of recognizing Jesus as Savior, so they don't worship the same divine narrative.
27 Jul 22
@fmf saidI subscribe to western religion although Eastern religion generally speaking is unsurpassed with their heightened spiritual experience. Those places where freedom of religion is upheld include the legacy of Ghandi (Sikhism, Hinduism, etc). The problems for them are maintaining a unity, because you can have all the diverse elements working but not have the university that is emblematic of worship, a cohesive dialect and bridging the physical realm with spirituality.
So, It's only a "profound experience" for people who happen to subscribe to the same religion as you, right?
27 Jul 22
@divegeester saidWhy do you make them out to be two different things? God is love, He acts out of love, the being and doing, are love being, and doing?
I’m avoiding the terms “works” and “faith” to keep the principle more generic.
Which is most important doing good things for your neighbours or believing certain things about your God?