04 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidI've been saying all along: we can but speculate.
Atheistic world views are also the stuff of speculation, you are always pointing that we look and speculate.
I've said it over and over again.
Now you are repeating it back to me?
To what end?
I already know that we can but speculate.
@kellyjay saidC.S. Lewis had a cottage industry - ah, bless his cotton socks - producing little ladlefuls of banality and bromides topped up with a generous dollop of fizzy circular reasoning for the consumption - and gentle inebriation ~ of The Choir. I find him decidedly unimpressive. His writing for children was excellent though.
CS Lewis pointed out that the laws of motion can predict where a billiard ball will go once it is hit, the law itself will not cause the ball to move on its own.
04 Apr 19
@divegeester saidYes, but if I didn’t would I be wrong?
Do you regard the new Brunei laws as being immoral?
04 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidIt is your prerogative to be as "complex" as you want to about your belief [in a God] or to subscribe to doctrines that are as "complex" as you want. It is also your prerogative to claim that what you just so happen to believe is "more complex" than what someone else believes and to make of that what you will. If it helps you to get through life and to live in a morally sound way, it seems good to me.
It is more complex than that.
04 Apr 19
@kellyjay said@kellyjay said
I was not speaking about my opinion.
If God is real He is as real as it gets!
@FMF replied
Good for you. But this belief doesn't make your personal opinions about morality "objective"
And your reply here is
@kellyjay said
I was not speaking about my opinion
Then what were you speaking about?
@kellyjay saidIt really isn't.
It is more complex than that.
Like all things devised by humans, 'we' as a species decide what is right and wrong and that will invariably change from place to place and time to time. So yes, something that I find evil might not be view so by somebody else (from a different location on the planet or from a different time in history). What of it? And why would you think I have a problem with that, when I have already discounted a moral lawgiver?
04 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidOf course, you were. Your opinion is that God is real. "If God is real..." [yes, good for you, speculate as much as you want, base your life on it if you want] then [and this is my paraphrase:] "...then God is real". Tell yourself what you want. Bolster it with tautologies, if you feel the need to. In the meantime, if you have any credible proof of your God being real, let me know and ~ who knows ~ my opinion about God Being Real will most likely converge with yours.
I was not speaking about my opinion.
@divegeester said“If” God is real. Note the word “if”, my beliefs if I voiced them would be (God, being real) or (God is real)!
@kellyjay said
If God is real He is as real as it gets!
@FMF replied
Good for you. But this belief doesn't make your personal opinions about morality "objective"
And your reply here is
@kellyjay said
I was not speaking about my opinion
Then what were you speaking about?
04 Apr 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGoodness isn’t just a static set of rules. Judgment will look at two things and make a call. If two different “good” rules come into conflict something more than a rule book is required.
It really isn't.
Like all things devised by humans, 'we' as a species decide what is right and wrong and that will invariably change from place to place and time to time. So yes, something that I find evil might not be view so by somebody else (from a different location on the planet or from a different time in history). What of it? And why would you think I have a problem with that, when I have already discounted a moral lawgiver?
@fmf saidThat lowers my opinion of you. The guy could recite each book he ever read. I don’t think you spent any meaningful time looking at his work if you could write him off like that. You would not have to agree with him but unimpressed is not a call I think he deserves.
C.S. Lewis had a cottage industry - ah, bless his cotton socks - producing little ladlefuls of banality and bromides topped up with a generous dollop of fizzy circular reasoning for the consumption - and gentle inebriation ~ of The Choir. I find him decidedly unimpressive. His writing for children was excellent though.
Almost forgot thank you for your opinion!