“Jesus Saves” by divine intervention

@suzianne said
Again, any organization not set up as Christ would, is not Christian.

As has been said already, this is a ludicrous No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

@suzianne said
And, in full view of what I wrote, that is NOT Christianity.

Says you, a true Scotsman/woman

@fmf said
As has been said already, this is a ludicrous No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

And some people are quite happy with their crutches.

@divegeester said
Says you, a true Scotsman/woman

It's so lazy to have a phrase that makes you seem to know what you're talking about and you can fall back on it like a soft, reassuring pillow.

@divegeester said
The no true Scotsman (you float here) is in full play in your country where corporate Christianity rules the airwaves blowing it trumpet of corporate greed, tax evasion and with it own brand of mega rich mouthpieces.

Do you really think this is the church that Jesus had in mind?

@suzianne said
It's so lazy to have a phrase that makes you seem to know what you're talking about and you can fall back on it like a soft, reassuring pillow.

"No True Scotsman" is the name of one the most common informal fallacies that people use instead of proper arguments. If anything it is a "reassuring pillow" for someone wanting to say stuff but doesn't want to converse in good faith. In this case, that is you, because to claim "there is no such thing as corporate Christianity" is simply obtuse.

@suzianne said
Do you really think this is the church that Jesus had in mind?

Corporate Christianity exists regardless of what "Jesus had in mind". Jesus was a a Jew and said not one word about setting up "Christianity".

Corporate Christianity therefore comprises a set of a manmade groups that come in tens of thousands of forms and sizes as a result of people's collective efforts to define and organize how they approach following Jesus.

@suzianne said
Again, any organization not set up as Christ would, is not Christian.

In your opinion is there any organisation which is set up as Christ would?

@suzianne said
It's so lazy to have a phrase that makes you seem to know what you're talking about and you can fall back on it like a soft, reassuring pillow.

The phrase nicely describes what you are doing in this thread, which is avoiding the premise in the OP by deploying the “no true Scotsman” type of logical fallacy as an attempt to moot it.

You may be correct you may not be correct, but either way floating this idea that “unless a church is set up as Jesus would set it up, then it’s not “Christian”” is just a lazy attempt to dodge the point.

@divegeester said
You may be correct you may not be correct, but either way floating this idea that “unless a church is set up as Jesus would set it up, then it’s not “Christian”” is just a lazy attempt to dodge the point.

Bear in mind that, according to Suzianne's personal litmus test, it's impossible to follow Jesus and vote Republican in the U.S.

@fmf said
"No True Scotsman" is the name of one the most common informal fallacies that people use instead of proper arguments. If anything it is a "reassuring pillow" for someone wanting to say stuff but doesn't want to converse in good faith. In this case, that is you, because to claim "there is no such thing as corporate Christianity" is simply obtuse.

And it often works. Except with religion. Christianity, especially. It either is, or it isn't. Your "corporate Christianity" schtick is a simplistic put-down that fails on the face of it. It is NOT Christianity, it is a mockery. Go ask Jesus.

@fmf said
Bear in mind that, according to Suzianne's personal litmus test, it's impossible to follow Jesus and vote Republican in the U.S.

Your point?

I think Jesus would agree. We have enough testimony from him and his ministry that bears out what I'm saying. One canNOT serve God and Mammon.

@suzianne said
And it often works. Except with religion. Christianity, especially. It either is, or it isn't. Your "corporate Christianity" schtick is a simplistic put-down that fails on the face of it. It is NOT Christianity, it is a mockery. Go ask Jesus.

If Jesus is the one who takes away the sins of the world and who He is and why He was sent were by divine nature and decree how could it be anything other divine intervention?

@divegeester said
The phrase nicely describes what you are doing in this thread, which is avoiding the premise in the OP by deploying the “no true Scotsman” type of logical fallacy as an attempt to moot it.

You may be correct you may not be correct, but either way floating this idea that “unless a church is set up as Jesus would set it up, then it’s not “Christian”” is just a lazy attempt to dodge the point.

"Corporate Christianity" is, in no way, Christianity, and cannot be thought of as such. Do you deny this? Just because some churches, and plenty of individuals, follow that model, doesn't make it right, nor do they follow Jesus. One cannot follow that model and follow Jesus. I'd have thought that point would be obvious, even to the most casual observer.

@suzianne said
"Corporate Christianity" is, in no way, Christianity, and cannot be thought of as such. Do you deny this? Just because some churches, and plenty of individuals, follow that model, doesn't make it right, nor do they follow Jesus. One cannot follow that model and follow Jesus. I'd have thought that point would be obvious, even to the most casual observer.

The term "corporate Christianity" just means formally organized Christian groups and denominations.