@rajk999 saidI know KJ believes they will lall perish for their lack of belief in Christ. Do you agree with that?
I find it incredible that church Christians refuse to comment on this topic. How about if I narrow it down.
1. They will be judged like everyone else.
2. They will all perish because they do not believe in Jesus.
Did the New Testament mention the Jews and how they will be judged?
I know KJ believes they will lall perish for their lack of belief in Christ. Do you agree with that?
I believe it's possible, but don't know for sure. Sorry I can't give you a better answer, but I'm unable to read God's mind and know what plans he has for his chosen people.
@rajk999 saidLiar, you have no idea what I think, but it doesn't stop you from claiming you do.
I find it incredible that church Christians refuse to comment on this topic. How about if I narrow it down.
1. They will be judged like everyone else.
2. They will all perish because they do not believe in Jesus.
Did the New Testament mention the Jews and how they will be judged?
I know KJ believes they will lall perish for their lack of belief in Christ. Do you agree with that?
@rajk999 saidHow exactly are people who lived before the time of Jesus expected to have believed in Jesus, by taking a wild guess?
I find it incredible that church Christians refuse to comment on this topic. How about if I narrow it down.
1. They will be judged like everyone else.
2. They will all perish because they do not believe in Jesus.
Did the New Testament mention the Jews and how they will be judged?
I know KJ believes they will lall perish for their lack of belief in Christ. Do you agree with that?
@indonesia-phil saidI dont know myself, thats why Im asking. If you were following there are Christians who claim that you MUST know Christ and profess to believe in Christ and in his death and resurrection otherwise you are damned. I am not one of those Christians.
How exactly are people who lived before the time of Jesus expected to have believed in Jesus, by taking a wild guess?
You will notice that mchill does not want to answer although he thinks it is possible that they will be condemned. Another Christian is getting abusive, and refuses to answer the question.
@rajk999 saidYou will notice that mchill does not want to answer although he thinks it is possible that they will be condemned.
I dont know myself, thats why Im asking. If you were following there are Christians who claim that you MUST know Christ and profess to believe in Christ and in his death and resurrection otherwise you are damned. I am not one of those Christians.
You will notice that mchill does not want to answer although he thinks it is possible that they will be condemned. Another Christian is getting abusive, and refuses to answer the question.
You don't know what I want and don't want, so please don't assume you do. I simply have no information in which to answer the question.
@mchill saidIm sure of one thing though. You love to post but you have no opinions on anything. I wonder why do you bother?
You will notice that mchill does not want to answer although he thinks it is possible that they will be condemned.
You don't know what I want and don't want, so please don't assume you do. I simply have no information in which to answer the question.
@mchill saidYou don't need to read God's mind. It's there in Revelation. The 144,000 tribulation witnesses are Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, serving God and bringing many, including other Jews and Gentiles together, to Jesus in the last days.
I know KJ believes they will lall perish for their lack of belief in Christ. Do you agree with that?
I believe it's possible, but don't know for sure. Sorry I can't give you a better answer, but I'm unable to read God's mind and know what plans he has for his chosen people.
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@mchill saidIt seems that those that died before Christ didn’t have a heavenly option, but as the psalm says “the meek will inherit the earth”, so if they lived good lives under the law of Moses (such as John the Baptiser) presumably they would get a resurrection. Presumably the same applies to the majority of those faithful Jews that didn’t have the opportunity to witness Jesus but died under the law as opposed to the new covenant that Jesus spoke of at “the last supper” ?
I can only speak for this Christian, but very little is written about the eternal fate of the Jews or people who lived before the time of Jesus. I wondered about this often myself, but frankly have no answer.
@star-luck-key saidThey way that I understood it was that King David was a Jew. If you look at the detailed lineage of Jesus, both Mary and Joseph were if the house of David? Therefore how could Jesus not be a Jew?
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I'll try & be fast & quick. Jesus & Moses are not & have not been Jews. Ok.
@suzianne saidI’ve often found that interesting, the way that only ten of the original twelve tribes are listed in Revelation. Anyone know what the other two tribes are about ?
You don't need to read God's mind. It's there in Revelation. The 144,000 tribulation witnesses are Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, serving God and bringing many, including other Jews and Gentiles together, to Jesus in the last days.
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@medullah saidNow thats a weird question. I thought the only difference was Dan, who was removed for some kind of crookedness, and replaced with Manasseh, one of the sons of Joseph. I think history has it that Dan moved to Africa and they are what the Jews now refer to as the 'lost tribe of Israel'., they were recently welcomed back into Israel as Jews.
I’ve often found that interesting, the way that only ten of the original twelve tribes are listed in Revelation. Anyone know what the other two tribes are about ?
@medullah saidPersonally I do not believe anyone goes to heaven. I can see no evidence that the 144,000 in Rev says they go to heaven. If there is such evidence I would be interested in seeing it. Jesus said no man has ascended into heaven.
It seems that those that died before Christ didn’t have a heavenly option, but as the psalm says “the meek will inherit the earth”, so if they lived good lives under the law of Moses (such as John the Baptiser) presumably they would get a resurrection. Presumably the same applies to the majority of those faithful Jews that didn’t have the opportunity to witness Jesus but died under the law as opposed to the new covenant that Jesus spoke of at “the last supper” ?
@rajk999 saidIt's clear that the 144,00 are the cream of the crop from their originl reference in Rev 7:14, where the "great crowd" is also present. When we meet them again at Rev 14:1 we are told that they are on Mount Zion standing with the lamb. A little later at Rev 14:3 they are described as "singing a new song that nobody else was able to master....." and that they " have been BROUGHT FROM THE EARTH".
Personally I do not believe anyone goes to heaven. I can see no evidence that the 144,000 in Rev says they go to heaven. If there is such evidence I would be interested in seeing it. Jesus said no man has ascended into heaven.
So if they were brought from the earth were were they taken to, and if they are on Mount Zion, is it the literal Mount Zion outside of Jerusalem? There is a lookup in Google that says that Mount Zion is a euphemism for the New Jerusalem which is referenced at Rev 21.
Maybe one for a bit more research?