@ghost-of-a-duke saidGood thing no one (not even God) is looking to violate man's free will. Everyone is free to decide what is, and what isn't.
It's always good to see a theist try to balance science with religion and not view the two as necessarily combative.
From my viewpoint however, science provides the 'how' but not the 'why,' primarily because there probably isn't a 'why.' - This is where religion comes in. Evolved as we are, intellectually, humans struggle to live in a universe where there isn't a 'why'. Hence the need to invent one.
@kellyjay saidWhy do you feel, when discussing what they believe (or don't believe), that people are mainly being dishonest? Why not believe them? What is the advantage here of being dishonest about it?
So when I ask for evidence why is it that you and others attempt to turn the conversation into a spiritual one? The right tool, the evidence, in science is not to talk about Bible verses yet that is almost all that gets done when questions of evidence and science are brought up. It shouldn't matter what the ramifications might mean, what should matter is an honest response.
@mike69 saidI'm not getting your vitriol. You speak hypocritically.
As she speaks out of both sides of her mouth each day. Wow! look at you such a strong proud Christian you are. Such wisdom and love only for those like you and falsely judge the rest.. I wouldn’t let you witness to my goat snowball Susie 😀.
@suzianne saidWe (I included) can say things that we believe, yet, don't walk out our beliefs. Very few people here I do call liars, those I do it is because I believe they know better and still say things that are not true. I can say "No" to something and still get charged with claims that I don't believe and they claim I admitted I do, the one who does that only gets "liar" thrown out when he opens his mouth because he lies. I think we are very comfortable not having clear-cut absolutes in life, that way we can go off any way we want. Those that defend that way of life lie to themselves more than anyone else in my opinion.
Why do you feel, when discussing what they believe (or don't believe), that people are mainly being dishonest? Why not believe them? What is the advantage here of being dishonest about it?
@kellyjay saidThread 195809 page 10.
I can say "No" to something and still get charged with claims that I don't believe and they claim I admitted I do, the one who does that only gets "liar" thrown out when he opens his mouth because he lies.
You have been lying about this for months... and calling people liars doesn't alter the facts of the matter.
@kellyjay saidThis is one aspect of my education, psychology. Do you think I am "dishonest" when I speak of gender dysphoria? Do you think this is not a real thing?
We (I included) can say things that we believe, yet, don't walk out our beliefs. Very few people here I do call liars, those I do it is because I believe they know better and still say things that are not true. I can say "No" to something and still get charged with claims that I don't believe and they claim I admitted I do, the one who does that only gets "liar" thrown out ...[text shortened]... we want. Those that defend that way of life lie to themselves more than anyone else in my opinion.
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@suzianne said“A” does not ever equal “not A” at the same time and place referring to the same thing. Contradictions arises when we hold two thoughts at that are at odds with each other as true at the same time.
This is one aspect of my education, psychology. Do you think I am "dishonest" when I speak of gender dysphoria? Do you think this is not a real thing?
So when we can make a statement where both truth and false statements must equally be acceptable from one another there is a real issue there. A man is a man, a woman is a woman, are true statements; however, a man is a woman is contradicting itself on its face.
If two men want to go into a woman’s shower one thinks he is a woman the other only wants to stand next to naked women while they shower, the claims by both men doesn’t alter the fact they are men. Both are still men, rejecting reality, or hiding in it reality doesn’t change reality, and subjecting women to the lusts of men willing to say whatever it takes to get what they want isn’t good, period.
Some men will say anything to a woman to bed her, this line of discussion has offered up the entire sex of women reducing them into whatever a man wants to call them. Taking away the beauty, special unique nature of women and turning it into a feeling any man can have, nothing special about women now, any thought can make a man a woman.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat concept of justice was superseded by the NT. That is the message of the NT.
And yet scripture makes this mistake. Take for example 'an eye for an eye.'
Reciprocal justice has 2 negatives make a positive.
@moonbus saidOkay, what about sinners being burned for eternity in the fires of hell? (A NT sentiment).
That concept of justice was superseded by the NT. That is the message of the NT.
2 negatives making a positive, in the name of divine justice and righteousness.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSin is a result of evil, beings who are capable and more than willing to do evil are, evil. Nothing evil is going to move forward into God’s eternal kingdom all that does evil will pay for it outside of the grace of God. All of us have fallen short!
Okay, what about sinners being burned for eternity in the fires of hell? (A NT sentiment).
2 negatives making a positive, in the name of divine justice and righteousness.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe kingdom of God is spread out upon the Earth, here and now, yet people do not see it. Some among the living during his lifetime would understand the teaching and come to see the world in a grain of sand and eternity in a hour. That is what Jesus taught. Those who think and preach that heaven comes later, after death, up in the sky, will be preceded by birds; Gospel of Thomas (which the Council of Nicea rejected).
Okay, what about sinners being burned for eternity in the fires of hell? (A NT sentiment).
2 negatives making a positive, in the name of divine justice and righteousness.
Dire threats of eternal punishment is what the Council of Nicea wanted people to believe, to get people to toe the line and obey the Church.
It’s all written in an allegorical way, suited to the intellectual and spiritual condition of the poor in spirit, to whom Jesus appeared. Not to be taken as a factual history of what actually happened or a factual prediction of what will happen. It’s an exhortation to live in a certain way, to attain a certain state of being, here, now, in this life. PS love your neighbor and even those who mock and torture you.