Science Negates All of Abrahamic Religions

@caissad4 said
Because that is what it is . Your perspective is different than mine

Exactly. These forums are intended to express our differing opinions. People should avoid them if they are unable to handle people expressing an opposing perspective that challenges the core of their own beliefs.

If, for example, a Christian takes the Adam and Eve story figuratively or as an analogy fair enough, but if they present it as a factual account (as they are free to do) I am equally free to dismiss the account as a fairytale, based on my knowledge of science and what we know so far about how we got here.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You have already acknowledged Kelly would probably view some of your own posts to him as belittling. What was 'your' motivation? What did 'you' hope to benefit?

I have never belittled his faith. He has probably felt belittled sometimes when I've called him out for his disingenuous antics in conversation. My motivation for calling him out for his rhetorical gimmicks and logical fallacies has always been to get a better quality of conversation out of him. We'd both benefit from that.

@kellyjay said
Let us see some facts that prove your point, with science.

Science doesn't have all the answers but it certainly tells us we didn't arrive here as fully-fledged humans.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I believe all religions rely heavily on myths and fairytales. Sharing this belief in this forum is no more belittling than comments Kelly has made about evolution and the like or sonship claiming atheists are lying about not believing in God.

I am not concerned about theists' attempts to belittle atheists. I just cringe when my fellow atheists resort to rhetoric that involves mocking believers with talk of fairies, fairytales, "the man in the sky", the flying spaghetti monster, and so on.

It's just cringeworthy and I see it as being somewhere between atheist taunting and preening. I am not personally bothered about whether sonship and KellyJay taunt and preen. It mostly comes across as them preaching to the choir.

@fmf said
I have never belittled his faith. He has probably felt belittled sometimes when I've called him out for his disingenuous antics in conversation. My motivation for calling him out for his rhetorical gimmicks and logical fallacies has always been to get a better quality of conversation out of him. We'd both benefit from that.

Your (frankly weird) position in this thread is that calling Biblical accounts fairytales is belittling to Kelly. Are you seriously saying, in all your years of engaging with him, that everything you have said about his beliefs are tamer than describing them as fairytales?

You sure?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
These forums are intended to express our differing opinions. People should avoid them if they are unable to handle people expressing an opposing perspective that challenges the core of their own beliefs.

I have been expressing my opinions and beliefs here for 15+ years and I am well able to handle theists expressing their opposing perspectives that challenge the core of my own beliefs without resorting to belittling their faith.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Are you seriously saying, in all your years of engaging with him, that everything you have said about his beliefs are tamer than describing them as fairytales?

Yes. My observations, questions, and responses have always been more intellectually robust than simply resorting to mocking his faith by dismissing it as fairytales.

@fmf said
I have been expressing my opinions and beliefs here for 15+ years and I am well able to handle theists expressing their opposing perspectives that challenge the core of my own beliefs without resorting to belittling their faith.

If I genuinely believe parts of the Bible (like Genesis) are fairytales with no basis in actual events (based on what science has taught us) you think I should refrain from sharing that opinion, so as not to belittle anyone's faith?

Is that really the position you have taken?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Your (frankly weird) position in this thread is that calling Biblical accounts fairytales is belittling to Kelly.

It's water of KellyJay's back, I should imagine. More to the point, I find it to be weak and unbecoming rhetoric on the part of fellow atheists.

@fmf said
Yes. My observations, questions, and responses have always been more intellectually robust than simply resorting to mocking his faith by dismissing it as fairytales.

I find that reply genuinely laughable. It's as though you think I have never read any of your posts.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
If I genuinely believe parts of the Bible (like Genesis) are fairytales with no basis in actual events (based on what science has taught us) you think I should refrain from sharing that opinion, so as not to belittle anyone's faith?

Is that really the position you have taken?

Whether the believer accepts them as allegory or as literally true, I think resorting to language that demeans their faith benefits no one involved in the discourse, unless your motives are to send smarmy signals to other atheists or "land a blow" with some banterized rhetoric.

@fmf said
It's water of KellyJay's back, I should imagine. More to the point, I find it to be weak and unbecoming rhetoric on the part of fellow atheists.

What is all this 'fellow atheist' nonsense all of a sudden?

Atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods. That's it. It is not a club, a community. There is no solidarity between us based on our disbelief in deities.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I find that reply genuinely laughable. It's as though you think I have never read any of your posts.

Simply calling what I said "laughable" is simply dodging what was said ... which was a point blank and candid reply to what you had suggested.

@fmf said
Whether the believer accepts them as allegory or as literally true, I think resorting to language that demeans their faith benefits no one involved in the discourse, unless your motives are to send smarmy signals to other atheists or "land a blow" with some banterized rhetoric.

'A fairy tale is a short story that belongs to the folklore genre. Such stories typically feature magic, enchantments, and mythical or fanciful beings. In most cultures, there is no clear line separating myth from folk or fairy tale; all these together form the literature of preliterate societies.'

Wiki


There is nothing belittling or demeaning in the above definition which I believe applies aptly to scripture.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
What is all this 'fellow atheist' nonsense all of a sudden?

It's not "all of a sudden" at all. It's been going on for years. The atheists here who have resorted to talk of "delusion" and "fairytales" in their interactions with people talking about their religious faith have thankfully been a relatively small minority