@ghost-of-a-duke saidHe'd probably say I have. Maybe he'd be right. But I have never demeaned his faith by referring to his religious beliefs and narratives as "fairytales".
Have you ever belittled or mocked Kelly or his beliefs?
....You sure?
@kellyjay saidEvery human, including one supposed to have been created perfect, has both recessive and dominant alleles. Inbreeding causes recessive alleles to become dominant. Once dominant, they stay dominant and are propagated to successive generations, such that infertility results after about ten generations. The inescapable conclusion is that we would not be here if the entire human race were descended from only two specimens (even supposing them to have been created perfect) because the laws of genetics have not changed in the last 6,000 years.
Never, really, and you know that because you know that, how? You don't know a lot of things and it has not stopped you from making pronouncements about what is and is not true. Even your so-called scientific pronouncements you have not backed up and I just have to accept your longevity pronouncements because you don't accept them on their face? I've given you the reasons ...[text shortened]... life get there to direct the processes, mind or mindlessness? Here you can bring up God if you like.
Below are links to scientific articles on the genetics of inbreeding. (Though I don't suppose you will read them.)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221920028_Inbreeding_and_Genetic_Disorder
https://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/23704/InTech-Inbreeding_and_genetic_disorder.pdf
Real-world cases of the effects of persistent inbreeding:
https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-inbreeding-killed-off-a-line-of-kings
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170726-the-polygamous-town-facing-genetic-disaster
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160113-could-just-two-people-repopulate-earth
@kellyjay saidBut isn't "blaming religion", when to do so might apply, merely a part of esrablishing motive?
Blaming religion is more of a scapegoat looking for something to blame outside of ourselves. it is human nature that justifies the evil we do.
If one finds what the motive for an "evil" act is, how does that "justify" it?
If one finds a belief or ideology is the cause of a bad deed, it does not mean that the responsibility for that deed placed "outside of ourselves".
@moonbus saidI don’t deny issues with inbreeding I said when we had few issues with longer life spans the problems were not there to the degree they are now, and are growing.
Every human, including one supposed to have been created perfect, has both recessive and dominant alleles. Inbreeding causes recessive alleles to become dominant. Once dominant, they stay dominant and are propagated to successive generations, such that infertility results after about ten generations. The inescapable conclusion is that we would not be here if the entire human ...[text shortened]... tic-disaster
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160113-could-just-two-people-repopulate-earth
In addition the larger those issues pollute the whole population, could end human life if you follow that to its logical conclusion in my mind opinion. Not causing a evolutionary progression but a digression.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhich question?
I was supporting the validity of caissad4's question.
Why not have a go at answering it.
In your eagerness to attack me you seem to have lost track of the core content of exchanges between myself and caissad4.
Why not go back and have a look.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidHave you?
Have you ever belittled or mocked Kelly or his beliefs?
....You sure?
@kellyjay saidNo it isn’t.
People do all kinds of evil in the world, most of the evil we see we do to each other, occurs in the name of religion, sex, nationality, or skin color with a host of other things like greed and lust. Blaming religion is more of a scapegoat looking for something to blame outside of ourselves. it is human nature that justifies the evil we do.
Hardcore dogmatic religious zealotry has been one the major causes of hatred since the dawn of civilisation.
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IMO the best argument against my OP was made by Dive . But if you admit that the OT and NT are inaccurate , contradictory or totally false then what are you left with ?? Not much . Certainly not a belief system that could be called anything but a fairytale . Over 2 thousand years of zero proof should be sufficient to consign all the Abrahamic religions to the land of Woden and Zeus . It is the 21st century , not the 10th .
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@caissad4 saidI don't admit the OT and NT are inaccurate and contradictory and totally false, never have. You have not presented anything to back up your accretions I'm assuming you cannot, you just wanted to pop off and let others talk, what a wimp you are.
IMO the best argument against my OP was made by Dive . But if you admit that the OT and NT are inaccurate , contradictory or totally false then what are you left with ?? Not much . Certainly not a belief system that could be called anything but a fairytale . Over 2 thousand years of zero proof should be sufficient to consign all the Abrahamic religions to the land of Woden and Zeus . It is the 21st century , not the 10th .
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@kellyjay saidIn over 2000 years you still have zero proof . I am sure that you do believe that the bible is accurate and holy . But even a sincere belief in anything does not make it true . That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence .
I don't admit the OT and NT are inaccurate and contradictory and totally false, never have. You have not presented anything to back up your accretions I'm assuming you cannot, you just wanted to pop off and let others talk, what a wimp you are.
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@caissad4 saidThere's so much more interesting stuff to discuss about the human condition due to the "gap" between atheism and theism. You could no doubt enlighten the likes of KellyJay about many things from your non-religious point of view; telling the likes of KellyJay that they believe in "fairytales" doesn't feel like an exercise in attempted enlightenment. Please forgive my sanctimoniousness. 🙂
I hereby dismiss it , lol
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@fmf saidFirst off . Kellyjay does not wish to be "enlightened " despite what he may say . He believes what he believes and nothing short of Jesus himself coming down to him and saying "Hey KellyJay , I don't exist " could possibly change that . Even then he would likely say it was the dirty old Devil trying to deceive him . Facts are always irrelevant to people who life is ordered only by beliefs. Christianity and Islam are both malignant cancers who have murdered millions of people for simply a lack of belief in their "special fairytales" .
There's so much more interesting stuff to discuss about the human condition due to the "gap" between atheism and theism. You could no doubt enlighten the likes of KellyJay about many things from your non-religious point of view; telling the likes of KellyJay that they believe in "fairytales" doesn't feel like an exercise in attempted enlightenment. Please forgive my sanctimoniousness. 🙂