Motivation of Atheists and Christ Deniers?

@plantermoo said
Maybe an atheist could explain where I’m misrepresenting their positions

The stuff you said in the post I was replying to. Sweeping generalizations. You often give the impression you've not absorbed much from your interactions with non-believers.

@fmf said
The stuff you said in the post I was replying to. Sweeping generalizations. You often give the impression you've not absorbed much from your interactions with non-believers.

Perhaps an atheist could explain what “something” created everything, what “life” created life, how chaos and simplicity did not naturally become order and complexity, and what non-physical matter gave rise to consciousness.

I’m all ears.

@plantermoo said

In addition to nothing creating everything, atheists also believe that non-life created life, order and complexity naturally arose from chaos and simplicity, and consciousness came from physical matter.

I think atheists tend to be more candid about the questions regarding the origin of life than theists are. That is to say, atheists mostly acknowledge that we humans do not know the answers.

Theists fill this gap in human knowledge with theology which, the way I see it, means theists are filling the gap in human knowledge with information about human culture i.e. speculations rooted in their religions.

I cannot recall an atheist who claimed that "nothing is the cause of everything". It's not a claim I have heard any atheist make here at RHP in the last 18 years.

Your 'atheists' beliefs' sound like those of cardboard cutouts of your own making that you pretend to be critiquing rather than ideas you have picked up from any actual discussions you might have had.

@fmf said
In addition to nothing creating everything, atheists also believe that non-life created life, order and complexity naturally arose from chaos and simplicity, and consciousness came from physical matter.

I think atheists tend to be more candid about the questions regarding the origin of life than theists are. That is to say, atheists mostly acknowledge that we humans do ...[text shortened]... o be critiquing rather than ideas you have picked up from any actual discussions you might have had.

Bottom line is every atheist I’ve met is a naturalist (doesn’t believe in the supernatural.) What I wrote represents their beliefs if they’re intellectually honest. If their answer to what I wrote is “I don’t know” then they’d have to admit they don’t know if God exists, which makes them agnostic, not atheist.

The reason you haven’t heard an atheist say nothing created everything is it’s a preposterous position. But it’s what they believe by default.

@plantermoo said
Bottom line is every atheist I’ve met is a naturalist (doesn’t believe in the supernatural.) What I wrote represents their beliefs if they’re intellectually honest.

So now you are changing it to an assertion that THAT stuff is what they believe "if they are intellectually honest"? Mmm. I see what you did there.

@plantermoo said
If their answer to what I wrote is “I don’t know” then they’d have to admit they don’t know if God exists, which makes them agnostic, not atheist.

Most atheists simply lack the belief that the kind of God you describe exists. Atheism does not include any specific theory or explanation about the origin of life.

@plantermoo said

The reason you haven’t heard an atheist say nothing created everything is it’s a preposterous position. But it’s what they believe by default.

No it isn't.

You know nothing Jon Snow.

@fmf said
So now you are changing it to an assertion that THAT stuff is what they believe "if they are intellectually honest"? Mmm. I see what you did there.

Huh?

Are you saying atheists aren’t intellectually honest?

@fmf said
Most atheists simply lack the belief that the kind of God you describe exists. Atheism does not include any specific theory or explanation about the origin of life.

<<Atheism does not include any specific theory or explanation about the origin of life.>>

Neither does the theory of evolution but it’s still a gaping hole in the theory - just like it’s a gaping hole in the belief system of an atheist

@plantermoo said
Huh?

Are you saying atheists aren’t intellectually honest?

It is you who is apparently making that claim.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No it isn't.

You know nothing Jon Snow.

Whatever you say, hotshot

@plantermoo said
Whatever you say, hotshot

Careful, your Romans slip is showing.

@plantermoo said
Bottom line is every atheist I’ve met is a naturalist (doesn’t believe in the supernatural.) What I wrote represents their beliefs if they’re intellectually honest.

This rhetorical gimmick is like saying: 'All Christians know that what they claim to believe is not true if they are intellectually honest'.

@plantermoo said
<<Atheism does not include any specific theory or explanation about the origin of life.>>

Neither does the theory of evolution but it’s still a gaping hole in the theory - just like it’s a gaping hole in the belief system of an atheist

It's a gap in human knowledge that they do not seek to fill with theology.

@fmf said
This rhetorical gimmick is like saying: 'All Christians know that what they claim to believe is not true if they are intellectually honest'.

Not a good comparison because there’s no other explanation for the four points I listed that atheists have to believe by default. I guess they could say they don’t know but there really is no other explanation.