Originally posted by @suzianneHere we have another bigmouth who cannot contribute to understanding the passage. Why dont you and romans1009 go get a room somewhere and carry on with your flirting instead of polluting this forum with your disgusting behavior and your false doctrines.
Because it's obvious?
Originally posted by @rajk999Your self righteous attitude is blinding you to your own depravity. Hence your apparent need to continually hurl invectives.
Here we have another bigmouth who cannot contribute to understanding the passage. Why dont you and romans1009 go get a room somewhere and carry on with your flirting instead of polluting this forum with your disgusting behavior and your false doctrines.
You don't know grace. You only know the self righteousness that the law produces.
Luke 18:10 & Matthew 23:26
Originally posted by @secondsonSelf righteous definition courtesy Google:
Your self righteous attitude is blinding you to your own depravity. Hence your apparent need to continually hurl invectives.
You don't know grace. You only know the self righteousness that the law produces.
Luke 18:10 & Matthew 23:26
the quality or state of being self-righteous.
"a strong sense of self-righteousness"
synonyms: sanctimoniousness, sanctimony, self-satisfaction,
smugness, superiority, priggishness, complacency, piety, unctuousness, hypocrisy ..
Christians here who proclaim that their faith in Jesus Christ display the most self righteousness:
- they are eternally saved while the rest of the world is doomed to eternal torment
- they can sin all they want and will still be forgiven
- they dont need to do any good works
- their eternal life is guaraanteed
Lesser Christians like Paul, and the Apostles and like myself ..
.. I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means,
when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1 Corinthians 9:27 KJV)
And you still cannot properly answer the question posed by GoaD.
Neither can any other Chrsitian of your type. Why?
Because that is the one passage which makes a joke of your doctrine
that ONLY YOU CAN ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Neither you people know what grace means.
You think its a licence to continue in sin.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?
God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness? (Romans 6:15-16 KJV))
Christians who continue to sin are servants of sin and they will die.
Christ will judge all people.
Originally posted by @rajk999"a strong sense of self-righteousness"
Self righteous definition courtesy Google:
the quality or state of being self-righteous.
"a strong sense of self-righteousness"
synonyms: sanctimoniousness, sanctimony, self-satisfaction,
smugness, superiority, priggishness, complacency, piety, unctuousness, hypocrisy ..
Christians here who proclaim that their faith in Jesus Christ display ...[text shortened]... he one passage which makes a joke of your doctrine
that ONLY YOU CAN ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
synonyms: sanctimoniousness, sanctimony, self-satisfaction,
smugness, superiority, priggishness, complacency, piety, unctuousness, hypocrisy .."
An apt description of you forum behavior.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith;..
Originally posted by @secondsonAm I the one that proclaim I am saved
[b]"a strong sense of self-righteousness"
synonyms: sanctimoniousness, sanctimony, self-satisfaction,
smugness, superiority, priggishness, complacency, piety, unctuousness, hypocrisy .."
An apt description of you forum behavior.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith;..[/b]
and that others are doomed to eternal torment?
Thats you people.
I await the judgment of Christ .. like Paul said.
Examine your own faith because it is a dead faith
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
(James 2:20 KJV)
Originally posted by @rajk999"Am I the one that proclaim I am saved "
Am I the one that proclaim I am saved
and that others are doomed to eternal torment?
Thats you people.
I await the judgment of Christ .. like Paul said.
Examine your own faith because it is a dead faith
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
(James 2:20 KJV)
You don't know you're saved?
You don't know the gospel.
Originally posted by @secondsonI await the righteous judgment of Jesus Christ, like Paul said.
[b]"Am I the one that proclaim I am saved "
You don't know you're saved?
You don't know the gospel.[/b]
I live in the hope of eternal life which Jesus will give to all those who follow him.
Specifically his sheep.
Originally posted by @suzianneGo and become a sheep of Christ.
He has the authority to do so.
You do not, yet you simply can't help yourself.
You claim you follow Christ and yet you cannot bring yourself to follow his most basic commandments.
Right now you are a goat who tells people not to do good works.
Therefore an enemy of Christ.
Does the bible teach "once saved always saved?"
No, it does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already accepted Christ were told: “Keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”—Philippians 2:12.
Bible verses that disprove the teaching of ‘once saved, always saved’
The Bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21) If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless. Instead, the Bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a practice of serious sin. For example, Hebrews 10:26 states: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.”—Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22.
Jesus emphasized the importance of maintaining faith by giving an illustration in which he likened himself to a vine and his followers to branches on that vine. Some of them would at one time demonstrate faith in him by their fruits, or actions, yet would later fail to do so and be “thrown out like a [fruitless] branch,” losing their salvation. (John 15:1-6) The apostle Paul used a similar illustration, saying that Christians who do not maintain their faith “will be lopped off.”—Romans 11:17-22.
Christians are commanded to “keep on the watch.” (Matthew 24:42; 25:13) Those who fall asleep spiritually, whether by practicing “works belonging to darkness” or by not fully performing the works that Jesus commanded, lose their salvation.—Romans 13:11-13; Revelation 3:1-3.
Many scriptures show that those who have been saved must still endure faithfully to the end. (Matthew 24:13; Hebrews 10:36; 12:2, 3; Revelation 2:10) First-century Christians expressed joy when they learned that fellow believers were enduring in their faith. (1 Thessalonians 1:2, 3; 3 John 3, 4) Does it seem reasonable that the Bible would stress faithful endurance if those who did not endure would be saved anyway?
Only when his death was imminent did the apostle Paul feel that his salvation was assured. (2 Timothy 4:6-8) Earlier in his life, he recognized that he could still miss out on salvation if he gave in to fleshly desires. He wrote: “I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.”—1 Corinthians 9:27; Philippians 3:12-14. WTS.....
So according to the bible, salvation is conditional. It is not a given "now" because all humans still sin. Also according to the bible only Jesus has been given immortality because of his faithfulness until death. He was not immortal until he was resurrected to heaven. He was faithful until death. That is a clue for humans who think they are saved now. You are not.....
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Originally posted by @galveston75Here you go...
Does the bible teach "once saved always saved?"
No, it does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already ...[text shortened]... s faithful until death. That is a clue for humans who think they are saved now. You are not.....
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/once-saved-always-saved/
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Originally posted by @galveston75What do you think of, and what is the Watchtower perspective on Romans 10:09?
Does the bible teach "once saved always saved?"
No, it does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already ...[text shortened]... s faithful until death. That is a clue for humans who think they are saved now. You are not.....