Originally posted by KellyJayBut he is regularly expressing his ideology on this forum and on this thread and you are expressing your disagreement with it through me... why would that be? It seems rather peculiar.
You are better off asking Grampy Bobby about his ideology than me.
I have enough to deal with, with my own ideology.
Originally posted by FMFI have been saying the same thing forever here and else where.
On another thread you told me that you can sin and still avoid going to "hell" because Jesus has already "paid for your sins" and because you "have Jesus in your life". Can someone who does not believe in Jesus at all avoid going to "hell"?
Sin is the crime, that is what will send people to Hell. You don't sin you
don't need to worry about Hell; however, all have sinned and fallen
short. So sin becomes an issue for us all.
That is by itself all you need to know for why anyone is going to Hell.
Who gets saved and why is a different topic.
Kelly
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Originally posted by FMFI don't read every post by everyone, and more times than not I don't
But he is regularly expressing his ideology on this forum and on this thread and you are expressing your disagreement with it through me... why would that be? It seems rather peculiar.
even bother reading many topics altogether. If I happen to jump into
a thread and I've posted on it before I normally read the last posts in it
I've something to do with.
If not I just read the last page.
If I see something he says I want to talk about I'll express myself, if
I see something you say, I'll express myself. If he sees me say
something he disagrees with, he is more than welcome to call me out on
it. I don't mind defending myself, I've done for things I dislike but think
are true, I've done it for things I totally agree with.
Kelly
-Removed-I don't think anyone will enjoy watching anyone suffer in Hell.
I think it will pain God greatly that any let alone *most* end up in Hell,
and His love for them will cause Him great harm as they end up there.
What I'm calling justice is every deed will be accounted for, ever word
will be accounted for. Nothing is going to be over looked, all debts will
be settled.
God's grace and mercy will be on full display for those He manages to
save, no pain or suffering going their way, Jesus took it all. That said,
those that face God's wrath, will see no mercy I don't believe God mixes
those two at judgment day.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou seem to be saying you are unaware of Grampy Bobby's unbelievers-burning-in-a-furnace-forever ideology even after seven years of reading his posts. How odd.
I don't read every post by everyone, and more times than not I don't
even bother reading many topics altogether. If I happen to jump into
a thread and I've posted on it before I normally read the last posts in it
I've something to do with.
If not I just read the last page.
If I see something he says I want to talk about I'll express myself, if
I s ...[text shortened]... e for things I dislike but think
are true, I've done it for things I totally agree with.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayDoes this apply to people who don't believe the claims you make about Jesus
God's grace and mercy will be on full display for those He manages to
save, no pain or suffering going their way, Jesus took it all. That said,
those that face God's wrath, will see no mercy I don't believe God mixes
those two at judgment day.
Originally posted by KellyJayIf this is so, why doesn't He reveal himself more unequivocally and more unambiguously to those you say He loves so that they believe in Him and then don't have to go to "hell"?
I think it will pain God greatly that any let alone *most* end up in Hell,
and His love for them will cause Him great harm as they end up there.
Originally posted by FMFBelieve it or not, I don't read a lot of post started by other Christians
You seem to be saying you are unaware of Grampy Bobby's unbelievers-burning-in-a-furnace-forever ideology even after seven years of reading his posts. How odd.
here! I will from time to time jump in if the title interests me, and I may
pray that God uses them to reach the lost, but unlike the unbelievers
here who feel the need to destroy their points, I don't feel the need to
add too or take away. If I disagree with them, I normally ignore them
unless I feel compelled to address it.
I trust Jesus in them, beyond that the small stuff where we may disagree
is all small stuff. If it isn't small, well you will see my 2 cents if I feel
led to jump in. I don't feel compelled to agree or disagree every time I
read something here.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayBelieve it or not, I don't read a lot of post started by other Christians
here! I will from time to time jump in if the title interests me, and I may
pray that God uses them to reach the lost, but unlike the unbelievers
here who feel the need to destroy their points, I don't feel the need to
add too or take away. If I disagree with them, I normally ignore them
unless I feel compelled to address it.
So if you are not here to engage fellow Christians, who is it you seek to engage and why?
Originally posted by FMFJesus said, this which I believe is very plain. The way is through Jesus
I am asking you whether you think it applies to people who don't believe the claims that Christians make about Jesus.
alone, there isn't another.
Kelly
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Originally posted by KellyJaySo your ideology is that people with different beliefs from you are tortured for eternity as a punishment?
Jesus said, this which I believe is very plain. The way is through Jesus
alone, there isn't another.
Kelly
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Originally posted by FMFNope, I believe I was very plain when I said sin was why anyone was
So your ideology is that people with different beliefs from you are tortured for eternity as a punishment?
going to go to Hell. I believe there are going to be people with many of
the exact same beliefs I have go to Hell, because they refuse Jesus
Christ, but it will be due to their sins that make them guilty.
All at this moment in time all in this life stand condemned before God if
they are not saved by Jesus Christ because they are in their sins. The
only way out is through the One sent to save us, Jesus Christ.
Think of it like this, if you were in north pacific or the bering sea you will
die because of the conditions you find yourself in the water. You need
to be saved from that place which will kill you! Missing out on a life boat
will mean you are in the water till you are dead, getting in the life boat
means you are out of the water that would kill you.
If you are not in the water a life boat doesn't need to save you from it
and so as you sit at home not being in a life boat is meaningless to your
life. That said, if you are a sinner, you need saved, and that is because of
your sins.
If you think another can save you besides Jesus Christ, trust him, her,
or it...whatever. I believe in the end the truth will set us free or condemn
us depending on what is required.
Kelly