CA teachers want free health care...the ones with kids.

@moonbus said
Define “proper“ decision.

And what is improper about Ann‘s ?

The govt is not raising Ann‘s children. It is simply making it possible for Ann to both raise her own and still teach other children, while earning a wage and paying into the tax system. Had Ann stayed home to raise her kids, the whole system would be poorer by one teacher and one tax payer.

BS

@zahlanzi said
"Which is to say that your New World, of Socialism"
Nothing new about it. All countries have it, even the US.

"It sure has been difficult for me to teach my grandchildren how to live in a socialist society, full of parasites."
Most likely they ignore you just like we do.

Ha, you love jee-hawing with conservative points of view, like, Ann suckling off the govt while Sue, figuring her budget, made ‘proper decision’ that there was not enough to pay for child care while at work, while the sleazy Ann games the system right in front of her. You weenies just cannot bear to fold on my winning argument here, and you always come back for more😋😋.
Did you just say that the USA ‘already has’ a socialism society? I have heard we WILL have it, not that we have it. Are you once again muddying a thread. Shame shame.

@AverageJoe1
Now, you can ignore me and do some soft-shoe with your twins Sonhouse and Handy, and the rest of ‘em!!!
😛

@Zahlanzi -

Joe: "It sure has been difficult for me to teach my grandchildren how to live in a socialist society, full of parasites."

Z: Most likely they ignore you just like we do.
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For someone that is 'ignoring' Joe,, you sure seem to have your head up his *** far enough

@averagejoe1 said
BS

You're looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope; that is why your world looks so distorted. If you look at this as an individual's entitlement, then it does indeed seem that Ann has gotten an underserved benefit (namely govt largess) at Sue's expense. But if you look at it as a public policy issue, you realize that Sue has actually benefitted from Ann's receiving govt largess. If Ann does not go to work, because she has to stay home to raise kids without any financial assistance (for day care or whatever), then the school is missing a teacher, which doubles Sue's work load. Now Sue has 24 kids in her class instead of 12. The kids loose out too, because they're getting a qualitatively poorer education for their parents' tax dollars, and this degrades the entire system for the future.

@moonbus said
You're looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope; that is why your world looks so distorted. If you look at this as an individual's entitlement, then it does indeed seem that Ann has gotten an underserved benefit (namely govt largess) at Sue's expense. But if you look at it as a public policy issue, you realize that Sue has actually benefitted from Ann's receiving g ...[text shortened]... poorer education for their parents' tax dollars, and this degrades the entire system for the future.

What a great post, it qualifies as an issue maybe presented on an ethics exam, or theories in logic. Very good.
Allow me one observation first, please. Should Ann get full benefits like this, or, do you think that maybe she should pay some deductible’ for the PRIVILEGE (it is not a right, as Bernie would say) of receiving this money, which in efffect contributes to HER (we are talking about her, not Sue, nor public policy) lot in life, her success, her gratis-free child education??? Your Public Policy crutch reeks of ‘we all are our brother’s keeper,” and maybe a bit if Marx.
Can you rewrite the above, separating these pesky problems, since the USA has been a land of individuals (not groups) for 250 years,7 last I heard.

It is not my intent to 'goalpost' or modify your question....but in fairness, you premise is predicated on the 'public good' . or policy, which cannot be a level playing field platform when a lib and a conservative are bantering. That would be a liberal concept, which we do not necessarily adhere to. Can you not at least subscribe to self-reliance, choices, and independent thinking? (all that Sue did, but Ann did not)?

Edit: Please note in your deliberations that Sue's husband will be none too happy to see this going on when they have made all the right decisions, and that he is not likely to be thinking about public policy, as he slams his fist on the kitchen table !
😠 😠 😠

@averagejoe1 said
Ha, you love jee-hawing with conservative points of view, like, Ann suckling off the govt while Sue, figuring her budget, made ‘proper decision’ that there was not enough to pay for child care while at work, while the sleazy Ann games the system right in front of her. You weenies just cannot bear to fold on my winning argument here, and you always come back for more😋😋.
...[text shortened]... have heard we WILL have it, not that we have it. Are you once again muddying a thread. Shame shame.

"Did you just say that the USA ‘already has’ a socialism society?"
Medicare. Medicaid. Social security. Free education through high school. VA. Food stamps. And these are just the ones i bothered to remember in the minute or so it took me to reply

The problem is that you allow your politicians to gut those programs and not expand them because you believe the US is more incompetent than Germany, France, Uk, Spain, Norway and any civilized country (not including the US) and it will implode if some poor guy gets healthcare or education.

"I have heard we WILL have it, not that we have it."
I know. Fox News' entire business model depends on you continuing to hear that and not comprehend

What do you care though. If it's true that you're 78, you will pack your bags soon and leave this plane of existance. It's the remaining americans' problem that they can't buy a home or that the planet is crumbling around them or that they will work all their lives to pay off their student loans.

You got your slice of pie with the rest of the boomers (because of socialist programs established when you were younger and just as dumb). The rest can suck plate.

@earl-of-trumps said
@Zahlanzi -

Joe: "It sure has been difficult for me to teach my grandchildren how to live in a socialist society, full of parasites."

Z: Most likely they ignore you just like we do.
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For someone that is 'ignoring' Joe,, you sure seem to have your head up his *** far enough

Ignoring the opinions. Fewer and fewer bother to explain, for the milionth time, just how wrong you nutcases are.

Making fun of his and yours stupidity is an entirely different matter.

@zahlanzi said
"Did you just say that the USA ‘already has’ a socialism society?"
Medicare. Medicaid. Social security. Free education through high school. VA. Food stamps. And these are just the ones i bothered to remember in the minute or so it took me to reply

The problem is that you allow your politicians to gut those programs and not expand them because you believe the US is more i ...[text shortened]... of socialist programs established when you were younger and just as dumb). The rest can suck plate.

You bore us with this rambling, remember we all go to the same library, look what I just found in the stacks. And the word Socialism (parasitical bunch of shytes) does not appear in this treatise.
Further, I sayeth not. Jesus. https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic/

Hey ...Sweden.... (God y'all like to list country after country in your posts, who cares. Have you checked on Bosnia lately?).....is socialist. Yayyyy! USA is capitalist. Yayyyyy Big Time! Me picks up a little jealousy in many of your posts. I am not too versed on socialism, but many smart people say that Socialism has never worked in any country. I dont know. (Sweden, which only has a few citizens, can hardly be considered a country in the scheme of things, just a large village of one-race blondes and bicycles. Actually, I think the USA flies overhead to keep them safe, with their kites and cotton candy). 😉

So what is your take on my point about the lady Sue who makes good decisions, and her co-worker who rakes in free child care? Downer, dont you think?

@zahlanzi said
Ignoring the opinions. Fewer and fewer bother to explain, for the milionth time, just how wrong you nutcases are.

Making fun of his and yours stupidity is an entirely different matter.

Opinions??

@zahlanzi said
"Did you just say that the USA ‘already has’ a socialism society?"
Medicare. Medicaid. Social security. Free education through high school. VA. Food stamps. And these are just the ones i bothered to remember in the minute or so it took me to reply

The problem is that you allow your politicians to gut those programs and not expand them because you believe the US is more i ...[text shortened]... of socialist programs established when you were younger and just as dumb). The rest can suck plate.

It is a given that military, FDA, FAA, etc endeavors are 'socialist', even education, but govt produces nothing , farms it all out to Business. So that said, I wish I could be there when you see this to realize the big picture. You think we FOX people are brainwashed??? Have your sources ever told you THIS??https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/why-socialism-always-fails/

@moonbus said

" Stupid people think it means "sameness of outcomes." Now, I readily grant that there may be some stupid politician who really does mean sameness of outcomes,

Far to many and they are the irrational noisy ones that the media loves to promote.

@averagejoe1 said
California teachers who have children want FREE child care before they go back to teaching. Free, man, tho they chose to have, and care for, children. Taxes would pay for their child care. If there are teachers who DO NOT have children, then the ones without children are getting no equal benefit from these taxes. So, What FREE stuff can these teachers get from the govern ...[text shortened]... stupid comment.
There is no Social Justice!!!!! ( i have never known what that means 🤔 🤔 .)

Stop spending a trillion on weapons and give them healthcare.

What’s the problem?