@phranny saidpeople have caught on to the democrat controlled media lying to them. The link you provided is a lie...straight up.
Illegal aliens are not eligible for free health care in the U.S. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9587751367
https://www.thebalance.com/the-two-top-illegal-immigrant-insurance-issues-2645683
even more...coumo is giving them 2.1 billion of our tax dollars
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2021/04/06/ny-excluded-workers-fund-undocumented-immigrants/7094564002/
@phranny saidPhranny, it is going on right now at the border, you must not have seen the pictures. I am sure they are giving aspirin, etc to about 19,000 kids there. So, as the fed govt is paying for and providing the aspirin, and food which is a form of health care, seems they are eligible.
Illegal aliens are not eligible for free health care in the U.S. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9587751367
@averagejoe1 saidgonna need a lot of abortions too as 1 in 3 of the females are raped on the trip here...even children. libs dont care about that though
Phranny, it is going on right now at the border, you must not have seen the pictures. I am sure they are giving aspirin, etc to about 19,000 kids there. So, as the fed govt is paying for and providing the aspirin, and food which is a form of health care, seems they are eligible.
@Zahlanzi -
"Since nobody at RHP pays taxes to the united states of earl,"
You never mentioned "taxes" before, and neither did *I* when I said that the two sides have equal bargaining power.
Obvioiusly, you cannot bargain with the GOVERNMENT, they hold the guns and write the laws.
However, these teachers still have the right to walk away.
You really struggle with this "free negotiations" concept, don't you. Could be an IQ problem.
@phranny saidPhranny, read it again.
Illegal aliens are not eligible for free health care in the U.S. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9587751367
CLAIM: Democrats voted to fine American citizens for not buying health insurance and conspired to give it to “illegal aliens” for free.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: Partly false. The Affordable Care Act did make U.S. citizens who did not buy insurance pay a penalty, but that is no longer in effect. The law excludes immigrants living in the country without legal permission...
Ok, so yes, there is a law that says you - as a citizen, must buy health insurance, but as an illegal immigrant,
you are exempt from the law. And although you may *think* that illegal immigrants are exempt from laws,
may I remind you that if an illegal immigrant murders somebody, they are NOT exempt for the law making murder illegal.
Another aspect not covered in this law... any illegal immigrant that is in need of health care gets it.
Hospitals do not dump sick/hurt people out on the street because they do not have health insurance.
Phranny, I stand correct, not corrected.
@mott-the-hoople saidOf course the libs don't care about the kids. They care about power!! that's all.
gonna need a lot of abortions too as 1 in 3 of the females are raped on the trip here...even children. libs dont care about that though
They feigned caring about the kids when Trump was POTUS for the sole reason of digging their heels into Trump.
Now listen to them... [crickets]
f'n hypocrites.
@earl-of-trumps said"You never mentioned "taxes" before, and neither did *I* when I said that the two sides have equal bargaining power."
@Zahlanzi -
"Since nobody at RHP pays taxes to the united states of earl,"
You never mentioned "taxes" before, and neither did *I* when I said that the two sides have equal bargaining power.
Obvioiusly, you cannot bargain with the GOVERNMENT, they hold the guns and write the laws.
However, these teachers still have the right to walk away.
You really struggle with this "free negotiations" concept, don't you. Could be an IQ problem.
Someone smarter would understand the difference between one private individual denying another individual healthcare and a government doing it while spending billions on the military.
I will use less complex concepts next time.
"Obvioiusly, you cannot bargain with the GOVERNMENT, they hold the guns and write the laws. "
you can in civilized countries. It's called "voting". It's that thing the republicans are trying to limit in case you don't know what it is
"However, these teachers still have the right to walk away. "
A yes, the power to walk away from a negotiation. Which in the case of employee vs employer in the US means you go without food. and if you get sick you go bankrupt or die. Why didn't they think of that. If they don't like working for low wage with little benefits they could just walk away.
well setting sarcasm aside, the problem is they do walk away. and only the most desperate or unqualified remain.
"You really struggle with this "free negotiations" concept, don't you. Could be an IQ problem."
i wonder if you really think you offered any kind of valid point to disprove my statement or you're just trolling, lazily. Because if it's the former you are as dumb as averagejoe. He claims he is 78, what's you're excuse?
@Zahlanzi
I'll put it to you as succinctly as I can...
I want both sides to have equal rights in negotiations, you want labor to have the
right to use force to get what they want, any time they want it.
BTW, there have been instances where labor "won", and shortly after that when
management was trying to live up to the new deal, the business went out of business.
but who cares, right?
@earl-of-trumps said"I want both sides to have equal rights in negotiations"
@Zahlanzi
I'll put it to you as succinctly as I can...
I want both sides to have equal rights in negotiations, you want labor to have the
right to use force to get what they want, any time they want it.
BTW, there have been instances where labor "won", and shortly after that when
management was trying to live up to the new deal, the business went out of business.
but who cares, right?
that's only possible if one side doesn't depend on the deal to go through to survive. A hostage negotiating with his captor doesn't have the same rights.
if you are anti union, anti regulations, anti universal healthcare then you don't in fact support equal rights
"you want labor to have the
right to use force to get what they want, "
if you mean unions, yeah of course i want unions. an individual has no power dealing with a corporation. If you mean government regulations of course i want government regulations.
"BTW, there have been instances where labor "won", and shortly after that when
management was trying to live up to the new deal, the business went out of business."
thats capitalism. any business that needs to exploit its workers to survive doesn't deserve to
@Zahlanzi -
EoT: "I want both sides to have equal rights in negotiations"
that's only possible if one side doesn't depend on the deal to go through to survive. A hostage negotiating with his captor doesn't have the same rights.
EoT: I absolutely do not believe that all people with jobs would die if they lost that job. I think you are fabricating in a failed attempt to make your point.
Do you know how many people lost their jobs during COVID lockdowns?? Where are the dying people pleading not to be killed by killer government lockdowns??
@Zahlanzi -
if you are anti union, anti regulations, anti universal healthcare then you don't in fact support equal rights
Don't muddy the water with piles of scrafu. What you have proclaimed here is pure propaganda to get your way.
Here's one back at you,, if you believe in taxes, you are a slavemaster.
Have a nice day.
@earl-of-trumps said"EoT: I absolutely do not believe that all people with jobs would die if they lost that job"
@Zahlanzi -
EoT: "I want both sides to have equal rights in negotiations"
that's only possible if one side doesn't depend on the deal to go through to survive. A hostage negotiating with his captor doesn't have the same rights.
EoT: I absolutely do not believe that all people with jobs would die if they lost that job. I think you are fabricating in ...[text shortened]... r way.
Here's one back at you,, if you believe in taxes, you are a slavemaster.
Have a nice day.
so the people working two or three jobs are doing it because they simply hate their families and would rather be away 16 hours a day? Not because they are desperate? If a person is sick and his employer offers him healthcare, wouldn't that person do anything to keep that job?
"I think you are fabricating in a failed attempt to make your point."
I would be surprised if you genuinely believed people aren't dying or going bankrupt because of healthcare. A lot of people. I mean nobody is that ignorant about their own country, right?
"Do you know how many people lost their jobs during COVID lockdowns??"
A lot.
"Where are the dying people pleading not to be killed by killer government lockdowns??"
Some already dead. Others pleading for a covid relief bills. Some were in line at the vote, voting for Biden instead of Trump. Some were evicted because they couldn't pay rent.
People died because they lost their healthcare during a pandemic, do you seriously not know that? Or are you stupid to realize it?
Trump got covid. Do you think that orange blob of a man got better because of his incredible genes? or because of that army of doctors giving him socialized healthcare?
"Don't muddy the water with piles of scrafu. "
if you can't understand why unions and government regulations help the worker yave a say at the negotiating table it's not my fault nor my responsibility to educate you
"Here's one back at you,, if you believe in taxes, you are a slavemaster."
A, a "taxation is theft" guy. Not many of you out there. Then again not many flat earthers either.
Tell my more about the economy oh smart one. How about that fairy tail about wealth trickling down?
@Zahlanzi
your effort is nothing but a list of reasons why you justify FORCING the employer to pay medical insurance for all.
If your democrats ever passed a law that forces all employers to supply medical insurance to their employees,
thousands and thousands of businesses would immediately close down, and that means massive unemployment
with much smaller tax base coming into the federal government to pay for all of these new people in need.
It is truly ignorant ideologues of the "gimmee gimmee" left, like you, that destroyed entire nations.
You just watched it unfold for you *once again*, in Venezuela, and now we see the government
is struggling to get a LOAN to by a COVID-19 vaccine. There's you socialist healthcare.
I realize you have low IQ and cannot see the simplest of consequences of your desired "system",
so please step aside and let those of us who know better tend to such tasks.
@earl-of-trumps said"your effort is nothing but a list of reasons why you justify FORCING the employer to pay medical insurance for all."
@Zahlanzi
your effort is nothing but a list of reasons why you justify FORCING the employer to pay medical insurance for all.
If your democrats ever passed a law that forces all employers to supply medical insurance to their employees,
thousands and thousands of businesses would immediately close down, and that means massive unemployment
with much smaller tax ba ...[text shortened]... your desired "system",
so please step aside and let those of us who know better tend to such tasks.
I really don't know how you can be so daft without acting. That's precisely my point. Healthcare shouldn't be on the employer, it should be given to all through taxation. Everyone should pay their fair share of taxes and everyone should have benefits because of their taxes, from universal healthcare to education to roads and bridges to a fire department or a police force. And fukin less tanks and jets and drones and military bases around the world.
"If your democrats ever passed a law that forces all employers to supply medical insurance to their employees, thousands and thousands of businesses would immediately close down,"
That's why you offer aid and benefits to small business so they can survive. And you tax Walmart more.
"It is truly ignorant ideologues of the "gimmee gimmee" left, like you, that destroyed entire nations."
But not Denmark. Not France. Not Germany. Not UK. Not Canada. Not all the other civilized countries that offer free healthcare in varying degrees without magically imploding.
In fact, all the "destroyed nations" consist of...
"You just watched it unfold for you *once again*, in Venezuela, and now we see the government :"
Venezuela!!! There it is. Yahtzee!. Bingo! We have a winner.
You managed what, 5 replies to me before you brought up Venezuela? Good for your buddy. Is this a personal best? Maybe we can go for 6 in the next thread?
"There's you socialist healthcare. "
Nah, it really isn't. Canada has socialized healthcare. Denmark, Norway, France. Germany to some degree.
Venezuela is, for the thousandth time for you to ignore, a country ruined by authoritarianism and corruption, bad management and in no small part, brought down by interference from the US who wants its oil. And in order to sell a potential war in the future there, portrayed by republican propaganda as a "socialist hellhole".
Funny how Norway or Denmark never get brought into discussion. Only Venezuela. Only it is "socialist".
"I realize you have low IQ and cannot see the simplest of consequences of your desired "system", so please step aside and let those of us who know better tend to such tasks."
Hah, funny
@Zahlanzi -
Venezuela is, for the thousandth time for you to ignore, a country ruined by authoritarianism and corruption,
Z, "authoritarianism and corruption" is what communists do BEST. Not a guarantee but they are the best at it.
Why do you ignore this? Castro, Kim, Stalin - they were all authoritarians, dictators.
I was 8 years old when the Cubans overthrew Batista and communism became the really scary word of the day.
I knew as I grew older, too, that North Korea was in a similarly bad way due to their communist revolution as well.
Fastforward 40 years, and I hear a socialist candidate for president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, charm his own people
with the same cheap tricks only the unwashed masses could fall for, "free toaster ovens, raise the minimum wage".
Sound familiar, Z?
Only by an authoritarian government can such whimsical wishes be fulfilled and I knew as soon as Chavez
got elected that the Venezuelan people could kiss their ass goodbye. The once second richest people
in the Americas are now reduced to having no clean water, no COVID vaccines, a currency that is worthless,
massive unemployment problem, starvation, mass exodus, high crime, you name it, and the authoritarians
Hugo Chavez and Nicolás Maduro are *responsible* for it all.
You can't find a socialist that is not authoritarian, in comparison to a rightist leader.
@earl-of-trumps saidwtf are you talking about. Corruption and authoritarianism can only exist in communist countries? Do you even read?
@Zahlanzi -
Venezuela is, for the thousandth time for you to ignore, a country ruined by authoritarianism and corruption,
Z, "authoritarianism and corruption" is what communists do BEST. Not a guarantee but they are the best at it.
Why do you ignore this? Castro, Kim, Stalin - they were all authoritarians, dictators.
I was 8 years old when the Cuban ...[text shortened]...
You can't find a socialist that is not authoritarian, in comparison to a rightist leader.
"Only by an authoritarian government can such whimsical wishes"
"The once second richest people in the Americas are now reduced to having no clean water"
A lot of americans don't have clean water either. Are you going to blame socialists too on that ? A lot of americans starve. There is high crime in the US too.
"and the authoritarians Hugo Chavez and Nicolás Maduro are *responsible* for it all."
Yes. They are responsible. Authoritarians. Corruption. Not Socialism. There are plenty of countries where socialism works. In the US Medicare is supported by the majority of americans and is an example of healthcare that works.
Hitler was a vegetarian. Will you claim vegetarianism leads to genocide? Did he kill jews because he didn't have enough schnitzel?
I don't see you explaining Canada. Or Norway. France. UK. Germany.
Only Venezuela. Because your pitiful intellect has somewhat of a suspicion that it wouldn't be able to apply the same idiotic talking points there. But not enough to actually change your mind and form an educated opinion.
"You can't find a socialist that is not authoritarian, in comparison to a rightist leader."
bwahahahaha, you're an imbecile. Bernie Sanders in your view is more authoritarian than Trump?