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Originally posted by lemon limeWell I did, and on page 18 divegeester asked you: "Is it your belief that there is an eternal hell and that there will be human in it? Simple question...".
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
On page 19, you answered: Simple answer... there is a hell, it's not eternal and there will be humans in it."
Is this "it's not eternal" answer really consistent with your stance now, which is "I don't know"?
And if divegeester believes "it's not eternal" and you believe "it's not eternal", why have you been trying to frame your belief on this matter as not in agreement with his and couching it in daft insults?
It just does not add up, lemon lime.
Originally posted by lemon limeLOL 😀
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you. I've answered the eternal hell question enough times to know that you really don't care if I answer it or not... you're only interest is in keeping this going by repeating the question like a couple of trained parakeets.
Awk, do you believe in an eternal hell...
Awk, do you believe in an eternal hell... ...[text shortened]... cracker...
Awk, do you believe in an eternal hell...
Awk, do you believe in an eternal hell...
Originally posted by lemon limeWell I had a look at page 22. When divegeester said: "Then we agree it's not eternal. I assume your I am well capable of discerning moral absolutes and an eternal hell is absolutely morally bankrupt."
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
You answered: "I did not say hell is eternal, but you've repeatedly reset the argument and claimed I've said it is eternal, so I must assume your wish is to continue arguing this point... ...why didn't you say "I don't know" regarding 'eternal hell'?
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Originally posted by lemon limeWell, when I took a look at page 25 I saw that divegeester said: "As you don't believe in an eternal hell with Christ spectating either, then I presume I reconcile it the same way you reconcile it.
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
You replied by quoting Revelation 14: 9-11 and you picked out this: "And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever" ... did this mean you DO believe in eternal torment or you don't believe in eternal torment? It seemed like you simply wanted to disagree with divegeester, regardless of what you'd said previously.
Why didn't you say "I don't know" at this point?
Originally posted by lemon limeWell I did exactly that, and I saw on page 25 (again), divegeester said to me: "I'm unclear as to what Lemon Lime does and doesn't believe. He seems to be more intent in catching me out in something".
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
Your peculiar reply was: No kidding, and what do you suppose that something might be? If you were truly interested in knowing what I believe (or don't believe) you would not have put so much of your time and effort into lying about what I have said."
Why didn't you just clear up the confusion you were causing about "what [you] believe (or don't believe)" by coming out and saying, regarding the issue of whether there is an "eternal hell", "I don't know", as you have suddenly decided to do now,
Originally posted by FMF"Why didn't you just clear up the confusion you were causing..."
Well I did exactly that, and I saw on page 25 (again), divegeester said to me: [b]"I'm unclear as to what Lemon Lime does and doesn't believe. He seems to be more intent in catching me out in something".
Your peculiar reply was: No kidding, and what do you suppose that something might be? If you were truly interested in knowing what I believe (or don't ...[text shortened]... ether there is an "eternal hell", [b]"I don't know", as you have suddenly decided to do now,[/b]
Could it be possible that you don't realize who it really is that's causing the confusion?
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Originally posted by lemon limeWell I had a look, as you suggest, and on page 32 divegeester said:
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
"I find it very strange that Lemon Lime seems to take a very carefully sort of tip-toed position in regard to this threads topic I.e. Eternal suffering with spectators in hell. On the one hand he protests that I'm insulting Chrisitans beliefs, but then, when pursued on the topic he backs away and says he doesn't believe in and eternal hell, but doesn't give any topical contribution to reasoning. Then the next day he's back again having another pop at me, calling me a troll for posting on topic in my own thread about a subject he sort of, more or less, perhaps agrees with. It's very odd, don't you think?"
Your answer was:
"I've repeatedly explained why hell is not eternal, and you have repeatedly ignored my answer and reset the argument to questioning why I believe hell is eternal. "
Is "I've repeatedly explained why hell is not eternal somehow the same as "I don't know [if hell is eternal or not]"
It simply does not add up, lemon lime.
Originally posted by josephwI've been going back, as lemon lime suggested, and looking at what he's said on this thread. Are you actually reading the quotes and exchanges that I am finding?
Could it be possible that you don't realize who it really is that's causing the confusion?
Originally posted by lemon limeOK, then. On page 33, after you accused divegeester of "lying" about your belief re: eternal hell, he said:
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
"What are you referring to? What lie about what?
You said: "Look back a few messages (page 32) and you will see the first paragraph of one of my posts says...
And you quoted yourself:
"I've repeatedly explained why hell is not eternal, and you have repeatedly ignored my answer and reset the argument to questioning why I believe hell is eternal."
So when you later said that you don't know whether hell is eternal does it mean that what you said above, and chose to quote/repeat, was a true or false statement of what you believe, or is it now unclear whether your ""I don't know" is a true or false statement of what you believe?
Originally posted by lemon limeWell I did have a look, as you suggested. On page 33 divegeeter said: "I'm afraid misunderstandings about what you believe or don't believe are caused by your incoherence."
That's some memory you have... maybe you should try refreshing that memory by going back and actually reading what has been said in this thread.
You replied:
my incoherence, or your inability to comprehend? or do you habitually accuse people of lying to cover your own incompetence? Of course you acknowledged what I actually said in one of your posts today, because I've been hammering away at you for so long about this you have no recourse but to acknowledge it "today". But tomorrow is another day, right?
Why didn't you, at this point, simply state "I don't know... if there's an eternal hell? Was that not your stance at that time?
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On page 46, I asked lemon lime "At least it has become clear why you were being so evasive for so long."
You answered:
"How could I have been evasive if I didn't know? I couldn't answer your question because I didn't know, but now that I know what 'worm' means I do know. If this wasn't clear to you before is it clear to you now?
You said "I didn't know" but then you said "...now that I know what 'worm' means I do know."
When you say "I do know", what is it you are now claiming to know, and is it consistent with what you've been saying on this thread?
Originally posted by josephwSome people hate the Word of God because its eternal truths lay them bare;
[b]"Why didn't you just clear up the confusion you were causing..."
Could it be possible that you don't realize who it really is that's causing the confusion?[/b]
little wonder that denial, sarcasm and obfuscation rule the day.
Originally posted by FMFOf course! Why do you think I asked if you realized who was causing the confusion?
I've been going back, as lemon lime suggested, and looking at what he's said on this thread. Are you actually reading the quotes and exchanges that I am finding?
I know your tactic. Start out reasonable, and slowing obfuscate and derail any discussion that remotely resembles the topic!
Just maybe you don't realize it. Or if you do, then you're doing it deliberately. I hope not!