@fmf saidIf God tells you something are you going to believe it?
Being "told" by someone to "believe something", the existence of which cannot be proven, does not alter the fact it is essentially being hidden from those who don't believe what that "someone" claimed was true.
God is the final authority. You can question God's created all day long, but don't believe a word they say.
God isn't "hiding" anything, and if He does, well, that's His prerogative.
But God certainly isn't hiding Jesus under a basket. Jesus is hanging on a cross in full view of the whole world.
Jesus is the way of escape from death.
@josephw saidIn terms of your rhetoric, you seem to be channeling Dasa.
If God tells you something are you going to believe it?
God is the final authority. You can question God's created all day long, but don't believe a word they say.
God isn't "hiding" anything, and if He does, well, that's His prerogative.
But God certainly isn't hiding Jesus under a basket. Jesus is hanging on a cross in full view of the whole world.
Jesus is the way of escape from death.
05 Jan 22
@josephw saidI'd certainly be inclined to believe something that god told me. Did god tell you to believe in him, josephw?
If God tells you something are you going to believe it?
God is the final authority. You can question God's created all day long, but don't believe a word they say.
God isn't "hiding" anything, and if He does, well, that's His prerogative.
But God certainly isn't hiding Jesus under a basket. Jesus is hanging on a cross in full view of the whole world.
Jesus is the way of escape from death.
05 Jan 22
@fmf saidDasa wasn't, or isn't a Christian.
In terms of your rhetoric, you seem to be channeling Dasa.
I merely used simple words to describe the scriptural concepts with regards to what you posted about in your post I replied to.
And now you're deflecting away from it with your usual tactic.
05 Jan 22
@fmf saidInteresting point which I agree with. It would be pointless.
If supernatural punishment meted out by a creator entity to people after they die was a reality...
and the threat of it was intended as some kind of blend of coercion and deterrence [or warning]...
what would be the moral purpose of essentially keeping this reality hidden from those still alive ~ aside from unprovable assertions made by people reciting religious dogma?
Where is the "divine" and moral logic in this arrangement?
The threat of a big stick without even knowing that there is a big stick?
Are you thinking in terms of eternal punishment for the dead, that kind of thing? In don't personally believe in the eternal torment stuff.
05 Jan 22
@avalanchethecat saidI believe whatever God tells me.
I'd certainly be inclined to believe something that god told me. Did god tell you to believe in him, josephw?
I've got the edge on whoever denies God's existence.
That belief sticks in the craw of the disbeliever.
But isn't that the reason for all these debates?
Naysayer vs believer. Forever and always the crux of the matter.
05 Jan 22
@sonship saidDasa was probably the most prolific of the delusional.
@josephw
Just to let you know -
Dasa is FMF's favorite person to compare people with.
Hence FMF's favorite method for denigrating and deflecting away from the challenge of addressing simple concepts expressed against his obfuscations of the same.
05 Jan 22
@medullah saidThat's your right to not believe in eternal punishment.
Interesting point which I agree with. It would be pointless.
The threat of a big stick without even knowing that there is a big stick?
Are you thinking in terms of eternal punishment for the dead, that kind of thing? In don't personally believe in the eternal torment stuff.
Let no mere mortal judge you for your beliefs.
All I can say is that you should be certain that your belief isn't only based on personal conviction.
Christians have as a final authority an external object upon which they base their beliefs.
The disbeliever has only Himself. He claims there's no evidence for the existence of a creator.
Personally I find that belief self deceiving.
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I am as certain about you being wrong as you are that I am wrong. The creator God stands at the apex of creation and knows that not a blade of grass sways in the wind or a cow releases wind without the express intention of his will. He is deluded in that way like all the creator Gods in all the universes in existence. And so it goes...
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@fmf saidHave you opened a Holy Bible?
Being "told" by someone to "believe something", the existence of which cannot be proven, does not alter the fact it is essentially being hidden from those who don't believe what that "someone" claimed was true.
Why are you relying on other people to tell you about the afterlife?
Why not open a Holy Bible, read it and sincerely ask God to enlighten you about what you don’t understand?
Isn’t that a wiser course than relying on fallible men to tell you about the afterlife when they’ve never been there?
Why not go to the Source?
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05 Jan 22
@josephw said<<But God certainly isn't hiding Jesus under a basket. Jesus is hanging on a cross in full view of the whole world.>>
If God tells you something are you going to believe it?
God is the final authority. You can question God's created all day long, but don't believe a word they say.
God isn't "hiding" anything, and if He does, well, that's His prerogative.
But God certainly isn't hiding Jesus under a basket. Jesus is hanging on a cross in full view of the whole world.
Jesus is the way of escape from death.
He’s no longer on the cross. That’s why I don’t like crucifixes.