20 Jan 22
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@rajk999 saidI never said you could sin all you want; my question to you is whether anyone you know stopped sinning once they did what you say they need to do so that they sin no longer, so it isn't an issue between them and God. Are there people who follow your doctrine stop sinning because they can, and God will accept them because there is no sin in their lives due to the doctrine you preach?
Correct ... it's a waste of time telling me that I can sin all I like because Christ died for me, and not face judgement for it and still get eternal life.
You will be fighting yourself.... I'm done.
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20 Jan 22
@rajk999 saidThat’s not at all what I’m saying but you’re too spiritually dead to understand what I am saying.
Correct ... it's a waste of time telling me that I can sin all I like because Christ died for me, and not face judgement for it and still get eternal life.
You will be fighting yourself.... I'm done.
But I’ll fight your Christ-denying Satanic doctrine post for post. I just won’t engage with you because it’s pointless.
20 Jan 22
@fmf saidWhat is the gospel? What does it say? Did you understand the gospel when you claimed you were walking in it? If we could live sinless lives, that would be the way to go; if we could obey the law, that would be the way to go, we can do neither. So what is it that God requires?
Aren't your efforts - how sincere they are, how sustained they are etc. - to not "sin", and to obey Jesus' commandments, subject to divine judgement?
Do you not believe that God can see and know and evaluate you as a "sinner" and do what he wants with you?
I mean this from the point of view of moral coherence, so just copy-pasting Bible verses is not going to cut it.
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20 Jan 22
@kellyjay saidIn rajk999’s false doctrine, the cross of Jesus Christ means nothing, the blood of Jesus Christ means nothing and everyone goes to hell for breaking the commandments.
I never said you could sin all you want; my question to you is whether anyone you know stopped sinning once they did what you say they need to do so that they sin no longer, so it isn't an issue between them and God. Are there people who follow your doctrine stop sinning because they can, and God will accept them because there is no sin in their lives due to the doctrine you preach?
That’s the bottom line.
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20 Jan 22
@kellyjay saidSorry, KJ 😉
What is the gospel? What does it say? Did you understand the gospel when you claimed you were walking in it? If we could live sinless lives, that would be the way to go; if we could obey the law, that would be the way to go, we can do neither. So what is it that God requires?
The Gospel in short:
God made you a sinner.
You are going to suffer and die because of that.
But God forgives you because Jesus suffered on your behalf.
After you die, you will still have to endure God and his saccharine choir of angel-praisers for all eternity.
Take-home message: God is more full of Himself than you could ever be. 😉
20 Jan 22
@kellyjay saidYou can espouse whatever doctrine you want, regardless of what I believe, or what I believed in the past; the question is, to you, does Christianity not work without "Hell"?
What is the gospel? What does it say? Did you understand the gospel when you claimed you were walking in it? If we could live sinless lives, that would be the way to go; if we could obey the law, that would be the way to go, we can do neither. So what is it that God requires?
20 Jan 22
@kevin-eleven saidWe will see.
Sorry, KJ 😉
The Gospel in short:
God made you a sinner.
You are going to suffer and die because of that.
But God forgives you because Jesus suffered on your behalf.
After you die, you will still have to endure God and his saccharine choir of angel-praisers for all eternity.
Take-home message: God is more full of Himself than you could ever be. 😉
@fmf saidAs I see it, hell is part of reality, so I'm not sure what you mean by work without hell. Could Christianity work without trees or boats?
You can espouse whatever doctrine you want, regardless of what I believe, or what I believed in the past; the question is, to you, does Christianity not work without "Hell"?
20 Jan 22
@pb1022 saidYep, Christianity would still work without trees or boats. The point being: KellyJay's attempt to analogize the moral coherence of annihilation verses eternal torture with an inanimate object like a boat and a plant like a tree is fatuous.
No Tree of Life?
No ark for Noah?
No miraculous catches of fish?
Perhaps you should reconsider