06 Apr 19
@fmf saidI think you have a skewed perspective relative to what "deters" people from committing immoral acts.
A wide range of immoral acts are illegal and incur punishments and this deters people from doing such things. Doesn't that rather undermine the idea that "morality cannot be legislated"?
After all, God said " thou shalt not commit adultery", but that doesn't stop some people, a lot of people, from doing it.
Obedience to a moral code of conduct is fundamentally based on the love of, and for, the moral law giver. Fear of reprisal is a motivator for the unjust, but for the justified the prime motivator is gratitude and love for the one whose love, for us, has no equal.
06 Apr 19
@secondson saidI think it is, first and foremost, embrace of the shared benefits of morally sound behaviour. Credible threats of retribution, if one falters, hammer observerance home.
I think you have a skewed perspective relative to what "deters" people from committing immoral acts.
06 Apr 19
@secondson saidBelief in "the love of, and for, the moral law giver" contribures, sure, but this is not evidence of there actually being a god or gods.
Obedience to a moral code of conduct is fundamentally based on the love of, and for, the moral law giver.
@secondson saidThat is completely and utterly wrong.
Obedience to a moral code of conduct is fundamentally based on the love of, and for, the moral law giver.
If it were true why would there be a disproportionate
amount of theists in prison compared to atheists?
Atheists are more moral and more law-abiding.
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06 Apr 19
@wolfgang59 saidWhose thumb did you suck those stats out of?
That is completely and utterly wrong.
If it were true why would there be a disproportionate
amount of theists in prison compared to atheists?
Atheists are more moral and more law-abiding.
@dj2becker saidThey are easily available and have been posted on this forum many times.
Whose thumb did you suck those stats out of?
If you dont believe me do your own research.
@wolfgang59 saidBy whose standards their own?
That is completely and utterly wrong.
If it were true why would there be a disproportionate
amount of theists in prison compared to atheists?
Atheists are more moral and more law-abiding.
07 Apr 19
@wolfgang59 saidOkay, back tracking this conversation to earlier posts, your right.
By the standards of society and the legislature which makes the laws they break.
@secondson saidThe "fear of reprisal" thing doesn't work on people who don't believe that there is anything real to justify or instil the "fear". That's why the threats of being 'tormented in burning flames for eternity' are morally incoherent with regard to non-Christians and other non-believers. There is no threat of "eternal torment" or "love" of a supernatural being that's motivating me to a morally sound person.
Obedience to a moral code of conduct is fundamentally based on the love of, and for, the moral law giver. Fear of reprisal is a motivator for the unjust, but for the justified the prime motivator is gratitude and love for the one whose love, for us, has no equal.
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07 Apr 19
@wolfgang59 saidDo the stats reflect how many turned to theism after entering prison?
They are easily available and have been posted on this forum many times.
If you dont believe me do your own research.
@dj2becker saidThe question you seem to be unable to answer is why you think the execution of homosexuals is morally wrong.
I believe God ultimately dictates good and evil. Does your belief in God not influence in any way how you differentiate between right and wrong?
Telling me Jesus said “he who casts the first stone” at Mary is you using a cowards escape from facing up to the fact that adultery is still a sin and Jesus didn’t say it wasn’t, nor did he say executing her was morally wrong.
I’m not asking you to “throw the first stone”, I’m not asking you to legitimise homosexuality, I’m not asking you to claim you personally are without sin, I’m asking you a straightforward question if executing homosexuals for being homosexuals is morally wrong.
And you can’t give a straight answer.
Like sonship won’t give straight answers
Like Galveston75 won’t give straight answers
Like KellyJay won’t give straight answers
What’s the common theme...intellectual dishonesty.
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@divegeester saidWhat do you believe the ‘straight answer’ should be that we all supposedly don’t have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge?
The question you seem to be unable to answer is why you think the execution of homosexuals is morally wrong.
Telling me Jesus said “he who casts the first stone” at Mary is you using a cowards escape from facing up to the fact that adultery is still a sin and Jesus didn’t say it wasn’t, nor did he say executing her was morally wrong.
I’m not asking you to “throw t ...[text shortened]... rs
Like KellyJay won’t give straight answers
What’s the common theme...intellectual dishonesty.
I still notice that you haven’t answered a single question.