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@divegeester saidAnd there’s the dishonesty. I’ll answer your questions once you have answered some of mine.
Ah ah, not you don’t. This was my question
So Jesus was only talking specifically about execution by stoning and generally about any judgment of another person’s sin. Is that it?
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05 Apr 19
@divegeester saidBingo.
Also, I presume it was a universal absolute of moral righteousness to stone homosexuals in the Old Testament but then Jesus comes along and BOOM...new absolute universal moral absolute, it’s not ok.
@dj2becker saidNo you’re just hiding because you know your absolute morality claims are absolutely not credible.
And there’s the dishonesty. I’ll answer your questions once you have answered some of mine.
You are now trying to convince me that you have concluded that executing gays is morally wrong because of that scripture Jesus used.
Well confirm that you are therefore claiming that Jesus was taking exclusively about execution by stoning and not generally about judging?
Because it is key to the credibility of your claim.
@fmf saidYou mean by a forced administering of marijuana?
Brunei is enacting strict new laws that make gay sex and adultery punishable by stoning to death.
Is this "evil" according to your moral outlook?
Seriously, there is a huge problem with death sentences for being gay. That is, they don't seem to realize it is not a choice. It is genetic and that means that whatever the percentage agreed upon by the science community as to what the percentage of gays there are, 3%, 5%, whatever, they will ALWAYS be in the population and therefore if carried out on every gay male and female in the population, the killing would never end.
The sad part is they are so addled in their religion they will never realize that fact.
@sonhouse saidGenetic? You got some data for that, or you just assuming, and calling that a fact?
You mean by a forced administering of marijuana?
Seriously, there is a huge problem with death sentences for being gay. That is, they don't seem to realize it is not a choice. It is genetic and that means that whatever the percentage agreed upon by the science community as to what the percentage of gays there are, 3%, 5%, whatever, they will ALWAYS be in the population and ...[text shortened]... never end.
The sad part is they are so addled in their religion they will never realize that fact.
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@divegeester saidI believe the existence of God directly impacts the existence of good and evil. Without the existence of God, good and evil would be purely relative terms. Since you believe in God do you believe the existence of God and the existence of good and evil are mutually exclusive? If so who ultimately dictates good and evil ? Is it only society?
No you’re just hiding because you know your absolute morality claims are absolutely not credible.
You are now trying to convince me that you have concluded that executing gays is morally wrong because of that scripture Jesus used.
Well confirm that you are therefore claiming that Jesus was taking exclusively about execution by stoning and not generally about judging?
Because it is key to the credibility of your claim.
I doubt you will answer these questions honestly but it’s worth a shot.
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06 Apr 19
@divegeester saidI believe God ultimately dictates good and evil. Does your belief in God not influence in any way how you differentiate between right and wrong?
Is that a yes Jesus altered the absolute morality of the OT?
Or just a dodge?
06 Apr 19
@fmf saidYes. Gay sex and adultery is "evil".
Brunei is enacting strict new laws that make gay sex and adultery punishable by stoning to death.
Is this "evil" according to your moral outlook?
But that's not your question is it? It has been said that morality cannot be legislated. When it comes to sex people will do what they've always done. Passing laws forbidding certain sexual behaviors will only make people sneakier about doing it.
"Stoning to death" seems rather harsh considering the contemporary view of consensual sex between adults, no?
Humanity has been down that path. Today, to effect change within a culture, we educate and inform, although much of the information emanating from sources within the culture is indoctrination furthering a social agenda in keeping with the views of those without a moral code; especially if it is instituted by God.
06 Apr 19
@secondson saidMy question is: are the new laws "evil" according to your moral outlook?
Yes. Gay sex and adultery is "evil".
But that's not your question is it?
@secondson saidA wide range of immoral acts are illegal and incur punishments and this deters people from doing such things. Doesn't that rather undermine the idea that "morality cannot be legislated"?
But that's not your question is it? It has been said that morality cannot be legislated.