Brunei's new laws

@fmf said
Stop talking about my wife and children and family members - who actually do exist - they are none of your business and have nothing to do with your grotesque ideology. They will not be used by you as a creepy analogy for the morally incoherent and depraved revenge-wrath-torture nonsense that you believe. Desist.

You're over the top here FMF. While Kelly shouldn't have said "your family", he was merely making an analogy to make his point. You shouldn't have made it personal.

@secondson said
I think some form of punishment should be meted out to anyone that engages in any immoral behavior that undermines the peace and tranquility of a vibrant and healthy social order, depending on the severity of the offense.

Would you advocate some form of punishment for adulterers and homosexuals who were discreet?

@secondson said
While Kelly shouldn't have said "your family", he was merely making an analogy to make his point. You shouldn't have made it personal.

I have asked him to cut it out.

@secondson said
Only God can sanction capital punishment, and He has.

First degree intentional homicide.

That sanction has never been rescinded.

Which verses indicate that the sanction of capital punishment was rescinded?

@fmf said
There is no demented supernatural torture as a punishment after death for being a non-Christian,

A mischaracterization of the text FMF.

#1 "Supernatural torture" is found nowhere in the Bible.

#2 "Everlasting punishment" isn't for being a "non-Christian", but for not believing God by not believing in His Son and His substitutionary death on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

Didn't you say you read the Bible? You must have missed that part. Read it again.

@kellyjay said
You should read the scriptures

Are "the scriptures" the only thing that makes you assert that I am going to be tormented in burning flames for eternity after I die?

@secondson said
"Supernatural torture" is found nowhere in the Bible.

The torture is supposedly meted out by a supernatural being and the person being tortured [in burning flames] supposedly endures this for eternity, which can only be described as a supernatural phenomenon.

@secondson said
"Everlasting punishment" isn't for being a "non-Christian", but for not believing God by not believing in His Son and His substitutionary death on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

Yes, non-Christians are clearly people who are not "believing God by not believing in His Son and His substitutionary death on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins". That's Christian dogma. Non-Christians don't believe it and supposedly face "everlasting punishment" for not believing it.

@fmf said
Would you advocate some form of punishment for adulterers and homosexuals who were discreet?

No matter how "discreet" they are God will call them to account for violating His Law.

In the mean time God isn't telling me to punish, but to warn.

@secondson said
Didn't you say you read the Bible?

I am simply engaging the dogma and beliefs espoused by those religionists here who subscribe to the Christian torturer god ideology. You should read their posts. I do.

@secondson said
No matter how "discreet" they are God will call them to account for violating His Law.

In the mean time God isn't telling me to punish, but to warn.

You said this:

I think some form of punishment should be meted out to anyone that engages in any immoral behavior that undermines the peace and tranquility of a vibrant and healthy social order, depending on the severity of the offense.

And so I am asking you: Would you advocate some form of punishment for adulterers and homosexuals who were discreet?

@secondson said
In the mean time God isn't telling me to punish, but to warn.

If you believe God isn't telling you to punish them, why did you say "I think some form of punishment should be meted out" to them for 'disturbing' society?

@fmf said
Yes, non-Christians are clearly people who are not "believing God by not believing in His Son and His substitutionary death on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins". That's Christian dogma. Non-Christians don't believe it and supposedly face "everlasting punishment" for not believing it.

You can label it "Christian dogma", but it's in the Bible. You're free to choose to believe it or not, at least as long as you live in that mortal body, but "the day of judgment" will surely come, and He, Jesus Christ will "...execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

@secondson said
You can label it "Christian dogma", but it's in the Bible.

I label it "Christian dogma" because it's in the Bible.

@secondson said
You're free to choose to believe it or not, at least as long as you live in that mortal body, but "the day of judgment" will surely come, and He, Jesus Christ will "...execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

You're free to choose to believe it or not

In practical terms, I don't think I can choose or decide to believe it when I don't. For the same reason* I don't think I could choose or decide NOT to believe it, if I did. * See the longish thread on the subject earlier this year.