25 Jan 23
@kevin-eleven saidYeah, that's crazy.
Why do some people say that God is unknowable and beyond human imagination, while also making assertions about God and Its attributes?
Maybe it's like this - what is known about God is revealed by God, what is not know about God is his infiniteness because we don't have the capacity as created beings to comprehend the infinite.
Does that help?
@josephw saidThis doesn't bode well for religions like yours, then - with its folklore, and detailed claims, and anthropomorphized characters - all recorded in books, rote learned and recited.
what is known about God is revealed by God, what is not know about God is his infiniteness because we don't have the capacity as created beings to comprehend the infinite.
If there is a creator entity, perhaps as much as we can presently know about the nature of that entity is found in the universe and its contents.
Maybe that's all we can know about the ostensible creator entity for now.
Maybe the revelation is ongoing.
25 Jan 23
@kevin-eleven saidI don't know why do people say that God is unknowable when He says when we seek Him with all our hearts we will find Him. Someone is mistaken.
Why do some people say that God is unknowable and beyond human imagination, while also making assertions about God and Its attributes?
@kellyjay saidIf "unknowable" to you can be rendered "knowable" simply through a search process based on the emotions and aspirations originating from "all your heart", then it is surely about as subjective as one can possibly get. You are talking about FAITH and not objective KNOWLEDGE.
I don't know why do people say that God is unknowable when He says when we seek Him with all our hearts we will find Him. Someone is mistaken.
@kevin-eleven saidI don’t know anyone who’s said that, so I can’t help you.
Why do some people say that God is unknowable and beyond human imagination, while also making assertions about God and Its attributes?
Sorry.
@kellyjay saidPaul spoke about God being an unapproachable light (possibly in Timothy) and Isaiah 55:8-9 says:
I don't know why do people say that God is unknowable when He says when we seek Him with all our hearts we will find Him. Someone is mistaken.
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
That sounds pretty unknowable to me.
25 Jan 23
@kevin-eleven saidthere is no dark side of the moon
Why do some people say that God is unknowable and beyond human imagination, while also making assertions about God and Its attributes?
it's all dark
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWe can not reach up and pull Him to us, but He can reach us. On His terms which is Jesus Christ who is both our means to God, and is also the end, being God.
Paul spoke about God being an unapproachable light (possibly in Timothy) and Isaiah 55:8-9 says:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
That sounds pretty unknowable to me.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIs that really "unknowable", though, or just "smarter"?
Paul spoke about God being an unapproachable light (possibly in Timothy) and Isaiah 55:8-9 says:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
That sounds pretty unknowable to me.
25 Jan 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidCan you understand God without God’s Spirit?
I'd say both. Can an ant ever be said to know an elephant? (Even if the elephant tried to make itself known to the ant).