@divegeester
Because my GENES are Irish you fukhead. I could get Irish citizenship if I wanted bad enough.
BTW Dive, I am a professional Irish musician, MANY gigs around the country including nationally broadcast TV so I got into the Irish thing pretty heavily, spent YEARS learning Irish tunes and now writing new tunes, which I post to Soundcloud and have close to 300 tracks there so there is that.
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@sonhouse saidthere seems to be some confusion about the genetics of Ireland, we are primarily celts, haplogroup R1b is the dominant male gene 80% (Gaelic),haplogroup R-L21 is a subgroup 65% with links to the basque region , there is also viking (norse gaels),anglo normans and in my case a spot of african/morocan.mix all that together and I am 100% Irish.
@divegeester
Because my GENES are Irish you fukhead. I could get Irish citizenship if I wanted bad enough.
BTW Dive, I am a professional Irish musician, MANY gigs around the country including nationally broadcast TV so I got into the Irish thing pretty heavily, spent YEARS learning Irish tunes and now writing new tunes, which I post to Soundcloud and have close to 300 tracks there so there is that.
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@athousandyoung saidScottish, Welsh, Basque, Kurdish, North Western French… Cornish…
How can I be a Celt if I’m not Irish?
Quite a lot of us aren’t Irish.
@shavixmir saidBasques and Kurds aren't Celts you silly fellow. Perhaps you are confusing the Kurds with the ancient Galatians.
Scottish, Welsh, Basque, Kurdish, North Western French… Cornish…
Quite a lot of us aren’t Irish.
I doubt Kevin thinks I am a Scot, Welsh, Cornish or Breton. My best claim to Celtic ancestry is my roughly 25% Irish blood and an inherited bitterness about the Famine.
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@catpower25 saidVikings weren't "Norse Gaels" they were Germanics. Otherwise sounds accurate to me.
there seems to be some confusion about the genetics of Ireland, we are primarily celts, haplogroup R1b is the dominant male gene 80% (Gaelic),haplogroup R-L21 is a subgroup 65% with links to the basque region , there is also viking (norse gaels),anglo normans and in my case a spot of african/morocan.mix all that together and I am 100% Irish.
The Scots-Irish could be argued to be a Norse-Gaelic mixture I suppose.
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@athousandyoung saidYour not getting it the actual Irish do not have the same chip on their shoulder about it, maybe because they stuck it out in Ireland and possibly gained from the masses of their people leaving their smallholdings to gain charitable support in the towns and cities. Americans of Irish descent still see the potato famine as current affairs because that’s when they left Ireland, their 19th century Irish grievance culture has been captured in aspic.if you’ve internalised the culture of grievance then that’s what you are for the purposes of this topic
Glad you've come around to realizing that it is neither blood nor birthplace that makes a person Irish but cultural factors instead e.g. resentment of the Famine.
I am English I never think of myself as Scottish or Irish or whatever other bloodlines I have in my mongrel veins. That does not mean I’m proud to acknowledge those bloodlines.
That’s what I think is concerning in terms of the cohesion of the US.
@sonhouse saidTut tut such language.
@divegeester
Because my GENES are Irish you fukhead. I could get Irish citizenship if I wanted bad enough.
BTW Dive, I am a professional Irish musician, MANY gigs around the country including nationally broadcast TV so I got into the Irish thing pretty heavily, spent YEARS learning Irish tunes and now writing new tunes, which I post to Soundcloud and have close to 300 tracks there so there is that.
My grandparents were Scottish, that doesn’t make me Scottish any more than if my grandparents were Irish would make me Irish. As far as I can tell (one of) my great great grandparents were French. Does that make me French ?
Playing Irish songs doesn’t make you Irish either Sonshouse.
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@kevcvs57 saidSame here.
That might be one of the USs major issues. When you drill down a huge chunk of the country think that they are European, African Asian etc who just happen to be living in America.
I’ve got a Scottish mother, Irish great grandparents, Romany on my dads side and mongrelised Londoners on my maternal grandmothers.
I only ever see myself as British English or English British.
Allegedly one of my ancestors on my fathers side was a Scottish pirate who was executed by drowning a few hundred years ago.
Shiver me timbers!
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@divegeester saidas i mentioned my father is from libya and I feel as much libyan as irish I am fluent in tunisian arabic and understand the culture and customs,I just dont think you can take ones genetic make up out of the mix,if its there it remains(just my point of view).
Tut tut such language.
My grandparents were Scottish, that doesn’t make me Scottish any more than if my grandparents were Irish would make me Irish. As far as I can tell (one of) my great great grandparents were French. Does that make me French ?
Playing Irish songs doesn’t make you Irish either Sonshouse.
@catpower25 saidYour “genetic make up” has nothing to do with you “feeling as much Libyan and Irish”, that is do do with your upbringing, where you have lived and your cultural experiences.
as i mentioned my father is from libya and I feel as much libyan as irish I am fluent in tunisian arabic and understand the culture and customs,I just dont think you can take ones genetic make up out of the mix,if its there it remains(just my point of view).
@divegeester saidNo not so, I never lived in libya(occasional holidays)born and brought up on the outskirts of Dublin,Lived in the uk for a long time now,but dont feel at all english,you can take the Irish out of erin but you cant make them think.LOL. P.S what is do do?
Your “genetic make up” has nothing to do with you “feeling as much Libyan and Irish”, that is do do with your upbringing, where you have lived and your cultural experiences.
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@catpower25 saidNevertheless, your “genetic make up” has nothing to do with you “feeling as much Libyan and Irish”.
No not so, I never lived in libya(occasional holidays)born and brought up on the outskirts of Dublin,Lived in the uk for a long time now,but dont feel at all english,you can take the Irish out of erin but you cant make them think.
If you were an adopted child of Libyan birth parents, brought up in England by English parents, never told of your Libyan parents you would not “feel” Libyan. How you “feel” is environmental.
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@divegeester saidyour opinion not mine nature trumps nurture every time,I am what i am made of not what my enviroment dictates.ps what are do do lol
Nevertheless, your “genetic make up” has nothing to do with you “feeling as much Libyan and Irish”.
If you were an adopted child of Libyan birth parents, brought up in England by English parents, never told of your Libyan parents you would not “feel” Libyan. How you “feel” is environmental.
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@catpower25 saidYou are mistaken.
your opinion not mine nature trumps nurture every time,I am what i am made of not what my enviroment dictates.ps what are do do lol