11 Oct 22
@athousandyoung said🙂
Neo Liberalism means serving the interests of capitalists above all.
Yup. Nancy Pelosi's net worth, $120 million. lol
12 Oct 22
@athousandyoung saidWell then Putin and the oligarchs are much more Neo Liberal than I’ll ever be
Neo Liberalism means serving the interests of capitalists above all.
12 Oct 22
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@kevcvs57 saidThe USA is an oligarchy.
Well then Putin and the oligarchs are much more Neo Liberal than I’ll ever be
https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4
https://mronline.org/2018/04/12/the-united-states-is-an-oligarchy-not-a-democracy/
https://jacobin.com/2019/02/us-oligarchy-wealthy-billionaires-democracy?fbclid=IwAR3diTI1zAyoEfsf3zRIQYV3-kEtvfvITY2nS7ConWubRhXQsJtpFN3BLAc
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-12/09/c_1310360338.htm
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
...and you brits are happily accepting those oligarch's money in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/10/sanction-oligarchs-britain-foreign-finance-trade-deficit-russia-abramovich
12 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidYes dear that’s right the USA is run on exactly the same as Putins Russia.
The USA is an oligarchy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4
https://mronline.org/2018/04/12/the-united-states-is-an-oligarchy-not-a-democracy/
https://jacobin.com/2019/02/us-oligarchy-wealthy-billionaires-democracy?fbclid=IwAR3diTI1zAyoEfsf3zRIQYV3-kEtvfvITY2nS7ConWubRhXQsJtpFN3BLAc
http://www.news.cn/english/2 ...[text shortened]... commentisfree/2022/mar/10/sanction-oligarchs-britain-foreign-finance-trade-deficit-russia-abramovich
If trump and his acolytes manage to destroy and corrupt the democratic process in 2024 post this again we might finally agree on something.
12 Oct 22
@kevcvs57
Stop it with your baseless partisan conspiracy theory. Biden appointed Podesta and he has ties to Russia. Democrats have been doing the same thing all along and you are fine with it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tony-podesta-russian-backed-lobbying-ukraine-manafort-mueller-russia-2017-10
The Podesta Group had worked with Paul Manafort, President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, on lobbying the US government to legitimize former Russian-backed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
Tony Podesta stepped down from his lobbying firm after it was found to be in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
Podesta was under investigation by Mueller, but no charges. I guess Russia collusion is no big deal.....if it is a democrat. If it is a republican you go conspiratorial and condemn it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-now-investigating-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776
13 Oct 22
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@kevcvs57 saidI guess I should be more specific.
Well then Putin and the oligarchs are much more Neo Liberal than I’ll ever be
Neoliberalism is based in the idea that international capitalists are to be catered to even beyond the interests of the nation-state. Fascists like Putin and Hitler prioritize the nation-state above foreign capitalists and are willing to violate property rights of perceived "foreigners" or "disloyal" businesspeople in order to reward their own nation's crony capitalists.
Basically neoliberals are close to the stereotype about "international finance" but it's not a Jewish dominated entity just to cut that idea off in the bud. It's upper class Anglos, French, Jews, Arabs, Koreans, Japanese, Hispanics and a wide variety of others*, but Anglo-Americans above all.
Neoliberals want all countries to lower taxes and will move themselves and their business from place to place in order to exploit local tax and labor financial advantages; Fascists demand business remain in the nation and will tax them to make sure the State remains strong.
Neoliberals will demand the State send military resources to defend their property in foreign countries while Fascists will use the State to take that same property to give to local crony capitalists.
*Singapore, Taiwan
13 Oct 22
@athousandyoung saidThat's a pretty accurate summary. Googling "Washington Consensus" will give you some background on what their specific agenda is for almost all countries using various multinational agencies like the IMF and World Bank to enforce it by economic blackmail. The bottom line is that want laissez Faire capitalism everywhere with a reduction in social spending of all sorts. This is what Ukraine brought into as a result of the 2014 coup and its economy collapsed as a result.
I guess I should be more specific.
Neoliberalism is based in the idea that international capitalists are to be catered to even beyond the interests of the nation-state. Fascists like Putin and Hitler prioritize the nation-state above foreign capitalists and are willing to violate property rights of perceived "foreigners" or "disloyal" businesspeople in order to rew ...[text shortened]... remain in the nation and will tax them to make sure the State remains strong.
*Singapore, Taiwan
I might add that this ideology is closely linked to neoconservatives in the US, though the latter add to it a strong desire to maintain and expand US power and world hegemony.
13 Oct 22
@no1marauder saidIt's easy to prioritize both capitalism and your nation-state IF your nation-state is completely dominant over others AND you are dominant over your nation-state.
That's a pretty accurate summary. Googling "Washington Consensus" will give you some background on what their specific agenda is for almost all countries using various multinational agencies like the IMF and World Bank to enforce it by economic blackmail. The bottom line is that want laissez Faire capitalism everywhere with a reduction in social spending of all sorts. Thi ...[text shortened]... US, though the latter add to it a strong desire to maintain and expand US power and world hegemony.
Back when the Japanese capitalists were perceived to be taking over the country in the 80's I imagine those neocons had a tough choice to make.
13 Oct 22
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@athousandyoung said
It's easy to prioritize both capitalism and your nation-state IF your nation-state is completely dominant over others AND you are dominant over your nation-state.
Back when the Japanese capitalists were perceived to be taking over the country in the 80's I imagine those neocons had a tough choice to make.
https://www.businessinsider.com/japans-eighties-america-buying-spree-2014-9
Starting with a relative trickle at the beginning of that decade, Japanese corporations went on an epic buying spree in America during the latter half of the decade after both countries agreed to revalue their currencies.
The trend became so widespread that the "Japanese takeover" theme began seeping into American culture...
Suddenly, Hollywood started introducing Japanese bosses. Here's a scene from "Back To The Future 2" showing how in the future American workers would be subservient to their Japanese masters.
13 Oct 22
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Putin's iron fisted dominance of the Russian capitalists back when he first got into power using the power of the State (prisons, police, courts of law) is the sort of thing neoliberals would never tolerate:
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/29/1088886554/how-putin-conquered-russias-oligarchy
Putin offered the oligarchs a deal: bend to my authority, stay out of my way, and you can keep your mansions, superyachts, private jets, and multibillion-dollar corporations (corporations that, just a few years before, had been owned by the Russian government). In the coming years, the oligarchs who reneged on this deal and undermined Putin would be thrown into a Siberian prison or be forced into exile or die in suspicious circumstances. The loyalists who remained — and the new ones who got filthy rich during Putin's long reign — became like ATM machines for the president and his allies.
13 Oct 22
@athousandyoung saidAnd the theory that these international capitalist Neo liberals are supporting Ukraine because the consequences of that are really good for the world economy and thus international capitalism.
I guess I should be more specific.
Neoliberalism is based in the idea that international capitalists are to be catered to even beyond the interests of the nation-state. Fascists like Putin and Hitler prioritize the nation-state above foreign capitalists and are willing to violate property rights of perceived "foreigners" or "disloyal" businesspeople in order to rew ...[text shortened]... l use the State to take that same property to give to local crony capitalists.
*Singapore, Taiwan
These Neo liberals haven’t really thought this through have they. Putin is interested in Putin not Russia or he would modernised its defences rather than buying palaces and super yachts.
13 Oct 22
@athousandyoung saidPutin is not a fascist. Socialists are not fascists.
I guess I should be more specific.
Neoliberalism is based in the idea that international capitalists are to be catered to even beyond the interests of the nation-state. Fascists like Putin and Hitler prioritize the nation-state above foreign capitalists and are willing to violate property rights of perceived "foreigners" or "disloyal" businesspeople in order to rew ...[text shortened]... l use the State to take that same property to give to local crony capitalists.
*Singapore, Taiwan
Read up and learn some political science.
@metal-brain saidHey lying Russian halfwit Putin is not a socialist and never was he was a fascistic KGB career officer and now he’s a fascistic arch capitalist head of an oligarchical cabal that stole Russias wealth when the Soviet Union collapsed under its own flabby weight. They descended upon the dying monster like carrion crows and feasted on the juicy bits whilst the people were left with the dry bones.
Putin is not a fascist. Socialists are not fascists.
Read up and learn some political science.
Putin the socialist 😂😂
13 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidThey want to be the ones profiting from the Ukraine markets and they don’t want Putin using the State against them like he has done all his life. These are two major themes for neoliberals - getting access and if possible dominance over markets and resources as well as opposing the State from controlling them or taking their property.
And the theory that these international capitalist Neo liberals are supporting Ukraine because the consequences of that are really good for the world economy and thus international capitalism.
These Neo liberals haven’t really thought this through have they. Putin is interested in Putin not Russia or he would modernised its defences rather than buying palaces and super yachts.
13 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidPutin is no socialist
Putin is not a fascist. Socialists are not fascists.
Read up and learn some political science.