@vivify saidYou probably should have read the next sentence.
I didn't see this tripe earlier, which is yet another false statement from No1Marauder.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26280710
The EU has agreed to impose sanctions on Ukrainian officials "responsible for violence and excessive force" after the bloodiest day of clashes in Kiev.
So much for not caring about the crackdowns, eh?
If you really think that Western leaders care about what happens to the People in other countries, you're a simpleton.
07 Oct 22
@no1marauder saidAnd you should probably apologize for being wrong so many times in a row.
You probably should have read the next sentence.
07 Oct 22
@no1marauder saidYou call objective facts cited from reputable sources "propaganda" rather than concede error.
I'm not, no matter what idiots who swallow neoliberal propaganda hook, line and sinker are told to "think".
I was right. You're not worth debating.
07 Oct 22
@vivify saidDid the EU impose sanctions for the far bloody crackdowns in say Egypt or Bahrain or literally dozens of other countries?
You call objective facts cited from reputable sources "propaganda" rather than concede error.
I was right. You're not worth debating.
The "objective facts" render your simple minded acceptance of whatever Western governments tell you ludicrous.
07 Oct 22
@vivify saidBTW, EU foreign ministers from Germany and Poland brokered the February 21st agreement between the Ukraine President and the three largest opposition party leaders. Then the West applauded it's illegal violation and unconstitutional overthrow of that President.
I didn't see this tripe earlier, which is yet another false statement from No1Marauder.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26280710
The EU has agreed to impose sanctions on Ukrainian officials "responsible for violence and excessive force" after the bloodiest day of clashes in Kiev.
So much for not caring about the crackdowns, eh?
Those objective facts you don't have any interest in.
07 Oct 22
@moonbus saidRidiculous!
Do you have a point? No. Your modus operandi here is merely to sow contradiction and discord.
I am here to point out contradictions of foreign policy and there are lots of them. You are just determined to accept those contradictions no matter how stupid it is to accept contradictions.
07 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidIn fact you would have a much higher status if you leaned before teaching.
Ridiculous!
I am here to point out contradictions of foreign policy and there are lots of them. You are just determined to accept those contradictions no matter how stupid it is to accept contradictions.
Plus if you want to teach, be sure to be clar (that is don't use videaos as metrail in which someone is quoted to have overherad some person speaing about a piece of paper they accidently have seen...)
@no1marauder saidWell, I agree with this in principle; I don't see why borders shouldn't shift in line with the preferences of the majority population of particular areas.
It would have been keeping with the principle of self-determination if the Serb ethnic areas of Bosnia and Croatia had been allowed to join Serbia after the dissolution of Yugoslavia; instead the West and NATO intervened and forced those areas to remain under those countries control (though nominally in Bosnia's case). Of course this was justified under the "bad guy" argu ...[text shortened]... ay from Serbia made possible by NATO military intervention was hypocritical given the prior history.
Having said that, it's not what usually happens; when larger nations break up, they tend to do so along historic internal borders. Estonia still has Narva, because it was part of the interwar republic, even though it has an almost entirely Russian population and is right next to Russia.
07 Oct 22
@teinosuke saidTrue, but many of these separations are done on reasonably affable terms by negotiations.
Well, I agree with this in principle; I don't see why borders shouldn't shift in line with the preferences of the majority population of particular areas.
Having said that, it's not what usually happens; when larger nations break up, they tend to do so along historic internal borders. Estonia still has Narva, because it was part of the interwar republic, even though it has an almost entirely Russian population and is right next to Russia.
This can hardly be said to be true of the dissolution of Yugoslavia and NATO and the West's insistence on maintaining Bosnia's borders stands in stark contrast with its war to detach Kosovo from Serbia.
@no1marauder saidThe EU has imposed sanctions of China for violent their crackdown of protests in Tiananmen Square.
Did the EU impose sanctions for the far bloody crackdowns in say Egypt or Bahrain or literally dozens of other countries?
https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-extends-human-rights-sanctions-including-chinese-officials-2021-11-24/
They are also discussing imposing sanctions on Iran's crackdown of protesters:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/eu-and-us-consider-further-sanctions-iran-protest-crackdown
You are shockingly stupid. This many ignorant or flat-out wrong posts in a row is ridiculous. This will be my last reply to you. You are not worth debating.
08 Oct 22
@vivify saidYes, the EU imposes sanctions on "enemies" of Western neoliberal policies while ignoring human rights violations in countries that are reliable, if dictatorial partners with them.
The EU has imposed sanctions of China for violent their crackdown of protests in Tiananmen Square.
https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-extends-human-rights-sanctions-including-chinese-officials-2021-11-24/
They are also discussing imposing sanctions on Iran's crackdown of protesters:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/eu-and-us-consider-further-sanctions-iran- ...[text shortened]... wrong posts in a row is ridiculous. This will be my last reply to you. You are not worth debating.
Thanks for proving my point, dimwit.
08 Oct 22
@no1marauder saidWho cares what they care about, come to that No1 who what you care about. Russia is the aggressor on the European continent at this juncture, if putting Putin’s Russia back behind their own border and worse off than they were before they began this war then that’ll do this constant reference to neocons and neolibs is sort of nonsensical unless you truly believe that NATO has the intention of invading Russia.
You probably should have read the next sentence.
If you really think that Western leaders care about what happens to the People in other countries, you're a simpleton.
There is nothing sinister about an alliance of at least nominally democratic countries not sitting on their hands whilst an authoritarian for all intents and purposes dictatorship advances towards them by brutally invading a buffer nation.
I don’t understand what your issue is. It’s as if you are philosophically stuck in the 60s, 70s, and 80s railing about the evil capitalist west trying to destroy the proletariat nirvana in the East.
That’s not what’s happening, it’s mainly nations that have respect for diversity of all kinds against one that has no respect for any of that woke stuff.