04 Oct 22
For the past two days, I've been reading how the Russian army is getting kicked hard. The Russians have lost
large swaths of land in east Ukraine, and the Russian media seem to be free to talk about it. Two of Putin's allies have
made public statements talking about how miserably the war effort is going. Also, there have been
100,000 men that have escaped Russia to avoid the draft when Putin ordered up the reserves (300,000)
The Russians are in a nightmare!
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-army-running-scared-maps-28152977
04 Oct 22
@no1marauder saidNot a single thing you said is factual, for about the fourth post in a row. The sources posted show that a majority of Ukrainians thought the exact opposite of what you just said.
Well you're wrong about that, too. The sources you and Teinosuke provided show it was scrapped because it was a crap deal that offered little.
Which turned out to be true as Ukraine's economic collapse showed.
Ukraine's economy collapsed due to rampant corruption, not the EU deal. You yourself have acknowledged how rife with corruption Ukraine is yet blame their problems on the EU deal?
You have just proven you're not worth engaging in a discussion.
05 Oct 22
@earl-of-trumps saidIf Russia is getting kicked hard isn't this a good time to negotiate a peace deal?
For the past two days, I've been reading how the Russian army is getting kicked hard. The Russians have lost
large swaths of land in east Ukraine, and the Russian media seem to be free to talk about it. Two of Putin's allies have
made public statements talking about how miserably the war effort is going. Also, there have been
100,000 men that have escaped Russia t ...[text shortened]... nightmare!
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-army-running-scared-maps-28152977
Should we dare speak of peace? Is that heresy now?
People seem to think risking a nuke being used is better than peace. All because the Putin haters have a problem with one man? Even the loyal democrats must admit the common Russian people are good people. People are generally good people everywhere. Has anybody gone to any foreign country and thought most people there were jerks?
Risk WW3 because of the hate for one man. Is that logical?
05 Oct 22
@Metal-Brain
You mean the 'peace' agreement where Ukraine just accepts the annexation of all that land inside Ukraine by that fake 'referendum' with 99% yes votes.
All that would do would be to embolden Putin to go next to countries like Moldovia in his obsession of trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
And OF COURSE you would approve of such an attack on yet another sovereign nation. Does the advances of Hitler mean anything to you?
05 Oct 22
@sonhouse saidSo trying to reach a peace deal will cause more war?
@Metal-Brain
You mean the 'peace' agreement where Ukraine just accepts the annexation of all that land inside Ukraine by that fake 'referendum' with 99% yes votes.
All that would do would be to embolden Putin to go next to countries like Moldovia in his obsession of trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
And OF COURSE you would approve of such an attack on yet another sovereign nation. Does the advances of Hitler mean anything to you?
Why hasn't mankind abandoned peace deals over 2000 years ago then?
Is there any contradictory propaganda that you will not accept? Peace = war. That is what you believe? Seriously? You cannot see how retarded that is? Really?
So were the Minsk Accords a secret effort to expand the war? 😳
05 Oct 22
@sonhouse saidSorry to be pedantic, but the name of the country is "Moldova". The historical region encompassing present-day Moldova, Eastern Romania and parts of Ukraine is "Moldavia". But I don't think anywhere goes by the name "Moldovia".
All that would do would be to embolden Putin to go next to countries like Moldovia in his obsession of trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
05 Oct 22
@vivify saidTo be pedantic (again - it is my nature), 50% is actually not a majority (51% would be a majority!). Yes, the percentage in favour of EU ties was very slightly higher than the percentage in favour of Russian ties, but the difference was within the margin of error. Both the EU and Russia were at fault for making this into a zero-sum game.
Okay. But even in your comparison, the majority, though slight, still leaned toward the EU.
I don't like to play the "seasoned traveller" card as I know it can sound pretentious, but I spent the late summer and early autumn of 2013 travelling around Ukraine, visiting Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Crimea, amongst other places. It was clear that the country was very finely balanced in its sympathies. Even a local chap I met crossing from Poland into Lviv - in the country's Western heartland of Catholicism and Ukrainian nationalism - said quite frankly that he thought of his country as a borderland (which is what its name means) between two cultures. A group of academics from Kharkiv that I met in the Crimea cheerfully identified themselves as ethnic Russians with Ukrainian passports.
OK - times have changed. Most Ukrainian citizens couldn't and wouldn't say those things any more. But it's just anachronistic to project the attitudes of post-2014 Ukraine back into the moment when these deals were being discussed. The past, as they say, is a foreign country.
05 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidWell you’ve changed your tune from the time when Russia was on the front foot and doing despicable things to Ukrainians because then it was ok to group label Ukrainians as Nazis and fascists.
If Russia is getting kicked hard isn't this a good time to negotiate a peace deal?
Should we dare speak of peace? Is that heresy now?
People seem to think risking a nuke being used is better than peace. All because the Putin haters have a problem with one man? Even the loyal democrats must admit the common Russian people are good people. People are generally good peo ...[text shortened]... thought most people there were jerks?
Risk WW3 because of the hate for one man. Is that logical?
Of course your right this time, people are just people and the majority of any country are good people.
But the Russian people do have a responsibility for the Putin regime and it’s actions, they need to resist their penchant for a strongman leader.
This sad event might result in the full democratisation of Russia and Ukraine but Russia will not change if the current regime can strut around red square and the world stage with a victory under their belt.
It’s not about hating Putin or the Russians it’s about justice for the victims and punishment for perpetrators.
05 Oct 22
@sonhouse saidWhy shouldn't Putin annex part of Ukraine? NATO did that to Serbia and annexed Kosovo. Didn't NATO set the precedent for it when they invaded Serbia and annexed Kosovo?
@Metal-Brain
You mean the 'peace' agreement where Ukraine just accepts the annexation of all that land inside Ukraine by that fake 'referendum' with 99% yes votes.
All that would do would be to embolden Putin to go next to countries like Moldovia in his obsession of trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
And OF COURSE you would approve of such an attack on yet another sovereign nation. Does the advances of Hitler mean anything to you?
Putin pointed out that the USA is the only country to use nuclear weapons on another country so we set the precedent there too. Doesn't it suck that all of the policies you were brainwashed into supporting are hypocritical? Propaganda can do that to you.
Remember WMDs in Iraq? The USA had them but Iraq was not allowed to have them. You accepted that hypocritical contradiction too, didn't you? Propaganda can do that to you. Don't feel too bad though, most republicans accepted that hypocritical contradiction as well. Only the USA is allowed to possess WMDs.
05 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidUkrainian Neo Nazi from the Azov battalion were committing genocide killing ethnic Russians there. They burned people alive that didn't get shot to death when they came out. Learn your history before parroting propaganda. Zelenskyy's bodyguards are Nazis. They even have the Hitler patch on them.
Well you’ve changed your tune from the time when Russia was on the front foot and doing despicable things to Ukrainians because then it was ok to group label Ukrainians as Nazis and fascists.
Of course your right this time, people are just people and the majority of any country are good people.
But the Russian people do have a responsibility for the Putin regime and it’s a ...[text shortened]... out hating Putin or the Russians it’s about justice for the victims and punishment for perpetrators.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/15/zelensky-bodyguards-hitler-patch/
05 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidThey didn’t invade Serbia they bombed Serbia to stop its genocidal war against its neighbours and in particular its Muslim neighbours.
Why shouldn't Putin annex part of Ukraine? NATO did that to Serbia and annexed Kosovo. Didn't NATO set the precedent for it when they invaded Serbia and annexed Kosovo?
Putin pointed out that the USA is the only country to use nuclear weapons on another country so we set the precedent there too. Doesn't it suck that all of the policies you were brainwashed into supporti ...[text shortened]... publicans accepted that hypocritical contradiction as well. Only the USA is allowed to possess WMDs.
Kosovo had been recognised ( quite different from annexed ) because its vast majority Muslim population cannot be expected to live under the Christian boot of the Serbian nationalists. Again this is about an ultra right wing nationalist minority trying by force of arms to carve out a greater Serbia from the remnants of Yugoslavia but the reality of the ethnic map on the ground make that impossible without mass genocidal ethnic cleansing which is beyond unacceptable.
Clearly as an ultra right wing Russian nationalist you probably don’t get that.
@kevcvs57 saidMuslim neighbors? LOL!
They didn’t invade Serbia they bombed Serbia to stop its genocidal war against its neighbours and in particular its Muslim neighbours.
Kosovo had been recognised ( quite different from annexed ) because its vast majority Muslim population cannot be expected to live under the Christian boot of the Serbian nationalists. Again this is about an ultra right wing nationalist mino ...[text shortened]... eyond unacceptable.
Clearly as an ultra right wing Russian nationalist you probably don’t get that.
You mean Muslims in SERBIA that were trying to steal Kosovo from Serbia, a sovereign nation. NATO helped them steal Kosovo because those Muslims were transporting heroin to Europe. The west empire is in the heroin business so NATO protected the heroin runners in Kosovo. Milosevic was doing the same thing Abe Lincoln did, preserve the union. He couldn't do that without mass genocide either.
Why don't you vilify Lincoln if you really care about genocide? He was a mass butcher.
The Ukrainians burned people alive. Then shot them to death if they came out of the burning building. Did the BBC News inform you of that?
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa-union-building/
05 Oct 22
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@teinosuke saidIf 20% of people like yellow, 30% like red and 50% like blue, the majority in this case are people who like blue. A majority of Ukrainians supported the EU deal.
To be pedantic (again - it is my nature), 50% is actually not a majority (51% would be a majority!).
But it's just anachronistic to project the attitudes of post-2014 Ukraine back into the moment when these deals were being discussed. The past, as they say, is a foreign country.
The point is to understand what factors lead to the current situation, not reinsert past values into the present.
05 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidNo you right wing Slav nationalist I mean the majority Muslim population of Kosovo who want to be left in peace and not slaughtered like the Bosnian Muslims by Bosnian Serbs.
Muslim neighbors? LOL!
You mean Muslims in SERBIA that were trying to steal Kosovo from Serbia, a sovereign nation. NATO helped them steal Kosovo because those Muslims were transporting heroin to Europe. The west empire is in the heroin business so NATO protected the heroin runners in Kosovo. Milosevic was doing the same thing Abe Lincoln did, preserve the union. He co ...[text shortened]...
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa-union-building/
You really are an ultra Slavic fascist huh.