01 Aug 19
@divegeester saidI know what the verse means. You obviously don't. All you can contribute to the discussion relative to the terms "beast", "seven heads" and "ten horns" is to say what every serious student of the Bible already knows, that they are metaphors, but you don't know what they are metaphors for. They depict something literal, but what that is goes beyond your understanding. And that scares you, which is why you feel the need to denigrate those who do know what those metaphors mean literally.
As I’ve said many times, I have no idea what the metaphors in Revelation refer to, only that they are in fact metaphorical ana. It literal.
Do you think the passage you have quoted is taking about literal sea beast with 7 heads and 10 horns?
01 Aug 19
@secondson saidDive does not believe hell exists.
I know what the verse means. You obviously don't. All you can contribute to the discussion relative to the terms "beast", "seven heads" and "ten horns" is to say what every serious student of the Bible already knows, that they are metaphors, but you don't know what they are metaphors for. They depict something literal, but what that is goes beyond your understanding. And th ...[text shortened]... , which is why you feel the need to denigrate those who do know what those metaphors mean literally.
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01 Aug 19
@secondson saidWhat on earth are you talking about?
They depict something literal, but what that is goes beyond your understanding. And that scares you, which is why you feel the need to denigrate those who do know what those metaphors mean literally.
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02 Aug 19
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As I’ve said many times, I have no idea what the metaphors in Revelation refer to, only that they are in fact metaphorical ana. It literal.
So you don't have any idea, but you wish to ridicule anyone who has an idea.
You skeptics retreat a lot into "Oh, I have no idea. I have no opinion. I have no viewpoint" in the midst of your criticism of other students of the Bible who DO have an idea about those signs.
Serious students with at least, an arguable viewpoint about the metaphors are suppose to admire your humility ? ie . "Oh, I'm the MOST humble one here. I have no idea about it."
If you cared, you could start by seeing how that symbol was used ELSEWHERE in the whole Bible. That would give you some insight as to how it is to be understood in Revelation.
It would get you started at least.
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02 Aug 19
@sonship saidJesus doesn’t torture people for eternity because they don’t love him, because for him to do so would be hypocritical, genocidal and morally incoherent.
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As I’ve said many times, I have no idea what the metaphors in Revelation refer to, only that they are in fact metaphorical ana. It literal.
So you don't have any idea, but you wish to ridicule anyone who has an idea.
You skeptics retreat a lot into "Oh, I have no idea. I have no opinion. I have no viewpoint" in the midst of your criti ...[text shortened]... insight as to how it is to be understood in Revelation.
It would get you started at least.
That’s it.
03 Aug 19
@sonship saidIf someone declares no matter what is said to them they are not going to change their mind, believe them they have settled things in their heads and they no longer care entertain other explanations. For them it doesn't matter what you say, what truth can be shared, if they refuse to see it, dwell on it, it isn't a matter of discussion or contemplation, it is a matter of declaring their point of view to the contrary of everything and everyone else, including the one thing they supposedly go to for truth.
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As I’ve said many times, I have no idea what the metaphors in Revelation refer to, only that they are in fact metaphorical ana. It literal.
So you don't have any idea, but you wish to ridicule anyone who has an idea.
You skeptics retreat a lot into "Oh, I have no idea. I have no opinion. I have no viewpoint" in the midst of your criti ...[text shortened]... insight as to how it is to be understood in Revelation.
It would get you started at least.
03 Aug 19
@kellyjay saidAre you talking about yourself here?
If someone declares no matter what is said to them they are not going to change their mind, believe them they have settled things in their heads and they no longer care entertain other explanations. For them it doesn't matter what you say, what truth can be shared, if they refuse to see it, dwell on it, it isn't a matter of discussion or contemplation, it is a matter of decl ...[text shortened]... e contrary of everything and everyone else, including the one thing they supposedly go to for truth.
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03 Aug 19
@secondson saidDo you accept and believe in the doctrine of eternal suffering in hell?
Dive does not believe hell exists, therefore hell doesn't exist.
Jesus says hell exists.
03 Aug 19
@divegeester saidMatthew 25:41-46
Jesus doesn’t torture people for eternity because they don’t love him, because for him to do so would be hypocritical, genocidal and morally incoherent.
That’s it.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Everlasting punishment. Clearly stated. No metaphors, no allegories, no symbolisms, just straight forward and unequivocal language anyone with third grade reading skills can understand.
Every living soul goes to either of two real and literal places forever after they die. Judgement is coming.
You're simply refusing to believe what the Bible says.
03 Aug 19
@divegeester saidThat's what the Bible says. Jesus said it. You don't believe the Bible, and you don't believe Jesus.
Do you accept and believe in the doctrine of eternal suffering in hell?
03 Aug 19
@divegeester saidYou're projecting.
“What metaphors mean literally”
Josephw you are full of it. You have no idea what you believe in regard to wether this stuff is literal or not.
Hilarious.
You've stated that you don't know what Revelation 13:1 means. Sounds like you're the one that doesn't know what he believes.
And how can you since you don't know what the Bible means by what it says.
03 Aug 19
@secondson saidDo you believe Jesus when he said that the ones who do good works will enter the kingdom of God, and the ones who fail to do these good works will be cast out?
That's what the Bible says. Jesus said it. You don't believe the Bible, and you don't believe Jesus.