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@suzianne saidI did clarify with Kelly if that also included people who had been transformed by the spirit (so Christians) and he replied, 'it is possible some will continue act contrary, but in Christ, the Lord is still doing a work.'
Those quotes by KJ were not referring to Christians.
More classic twisting of words by you.
I struggle with the idea that a person transformed by receiving the holy spirit would continue to be filled with malice and hate. (Kelly didn't specify though if the friend he was talking about was a Christian or not).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThere are always two possibilities in something like that too, the first I shared, getting right with God is a work of God, requiring God. Saying you are right with God does not make you right with God if you are without God.
I did clarify with Kelly if that also included people who had been transformed by the spirit (so Christians) and he replied, 'it is possible some will continue act contrary, but in Christ, the Lord is still doing a work.'
I struggle with the idea that a person transformed by receiving the holy spirit would continue to be filled with malice and hate. (Kelly didn't specify though if the friend he was talking about was a Christian or not).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI cannot argue against your point I agree, with you, there are several warnings in scripture about such things. The promises of God and the warnings are given to us and we are to walk out our lives in the light of them. Sometimes we don't see the sinfulness of our hearts until we are confronted with those scenarios when we realize what we are, which requires repentance. Becoming right with God isn't a single event in our lives where we say a magic prayer and that is all that is required of our lives. We have given Him everything about us, we are His forever, and it is a lifelong commitment.
What I think is that the transformation of receiving the holy spirit is clearly greatly exaggerated. Yes, the individual Christian has to work with the spirit and will not immediately become angelical in their behaviour, but the idea that God dwells inside a Christian and yet they continue to be filled with malice and hate is an oxymoron.
Many people start well enough and their hearts become hardened over time and they walk away. They can choose the hate they feel over the love we are to walk in, sin over obedience, walking in darkness over the light. We are to love God and each other, and the world, our flesh, and the devil can give us several reasons that are justifiable according to the world not to do both, which can get us even to hate our own being in the end.
Still, some give up their lives over the choices this world offers with next to no information but put Jesus first, knowing and trusting Him. Then others may have libraries they study, services they attend, and conferences they go to learn all they can but don't know Him, they only know about Him, it requires God to be a Christian.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI feel that some are not transformed by believing in Jesus. It's not an "end all, be all". I know Christians who give it lots of words, but they don't appear to believe in it in their hearts. The Christian experience is not the same for everyone. Some take longer to truly grow in Christ. Some never do.
I did clarify with Kelly if that also included people who had been transformed by the spirit (so Christians) and he replied, 'it is possible some will continue act contrary, but in Christ, the Lord is still doing a work.'
I struggle with the idea that a person transformed by receiving the holy spirit would continue to be filled with malice and hate. (Kelly didn't specify though if the friend he was talking about was a Christian or not).
