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Your penchant for abuse notwithstanding, all the instruction you require is at hand.
Quit avoiding your woodshed moment and face the fire of truth.

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If short windedness is what you really need. Here is a shortwinded teaching.

" And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)

Is that shortwinded enough for you ?

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It would seem FreakyKBH thinks sonship's ideology is such "tripe", as he put it, that he's tried to attribute it to a non-Christian (me) instead, rather than his fellow Christian. 😉

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I know the scriptures you use to construct your monstrous ideology - I just quoted one to FreakyKBH, who seems to have recently attached himself to you and seems to be impressed by your lengthy monologues. What a wonderful moment it must be for you.

These devices you are employing are worse than lengthy monologues. You should stick to the issue rather than fall back on insincere flattery or shaming a poster for his own ascertaining of where the better case lies. .

The real issue here I think, is how should we interpret the words of Christ and His apostles in the matter of eternal punishment.

The work one has to go through to put a less than horrendous face of these passages exemplifies forcing dreadfully dire warnings to be an insincere pleasant picture. God's word here is not meant to be pleasant. And it is made to be horrific.

The most graphic picture you like to refer to is that of Antichrist and his dedicated followers from Revelation 14. As I consider your strongest and most repulsive description of eternal punishment I ALSO have to consider the worthiness of those punished.

The Scriptures says that Antichrist, the beast will actually overcome the saints during the great tribulation.

" And permission was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority was given to him over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." (Rev. 13:7)

This will be terrible for the saints left on earth to pass through this great tribulation.
In Daniel it says that this Antichrist will "wear out" the saints.

The persecution and wearing out of God's saints will be such that what he and his followers get in Revelation 14 and 20. will be what they should get - eternal damnation. The punishment you label as a "monstrous ideology" is what he and his followers get for being themselves monsters.

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I worship a different Jesus to you. Simple as that.

Don't ask me questions and attach to them indications that you will not take the time to read.

A simple question to your "Simple as that".
Is Jesus God ?

Originally posted by sonship
... So we need to believe in Christ for eternal salvation. ...

Eternal salvation is for those who OBEY Christ. Paul said Heb 5:9 [Jesus Christ] .. the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him;
The devils also believe but they would not get eternal salvation because they did not OBEY God.

So there are two kinds of believers
1. Believers without OBEDIENCE = Eternal death eg the devils
2. Believers with OBEDIENCE = Eternal salvation. eg True followers of Christ
Therefore OBEDIENCE to the commandments of Christ leads to Eternal Salvation.
Christ said John 8:51 .. IF a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

So be careful lest you end up in eternal torment.
Believe AND obey.
Dont just believe alone like the devils

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I worship a different Jesus to you. Simple as that.

Dive .... Is Jesus ... God Himself ?

Originally posted by sonship

I worship a different Jesus to you. Simple as that.

Dive .... Is [b]Jesus ... God Himself ?[/b]

The devils know more than you do. They know that Jesus is the SON OF GOD:

Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Originally posted by Rajk999
The devils know more than you do. They know that Jesus is the SON OF GOD:

Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, [b]Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? [/b]

Right now I am discussing something else with divegeester.

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Did I hear you some time back say that the Son of God was not eternal ?
Excuse me if it was someone else.