Originally posted by lemon limeI thought everything was destroyed in the Lake of Fire, but that one statement 'the worm does not die' was a mystery to me up until a day or so ago. And you've been suggesting there is something odd about my learning this a day or so ago. So do you think it's odd that a man in mid-sixties can learn something he didn't know before? Probably not, it's more likely you've been trying to suggest I'm lying without coming right out and saying so.
You spent 40 or so years as a Christian who simply did not know what happened to people who were not "saved" by your God figure, and now ~ all of a sudden ~ on page 50 of this thread ~ you now "know" that their punishment is being tortured for eternity? Do you also think that your new belief is a core Christian belief?
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Originally posted by lemon limeThe mistake you've been making is mixing your own personal feelings in with (what you've portray as) a debate, or perhaps as an intellectual conversation, when in fact all you and dive have been doing is demonstrating how abhorred you feel. It's been nothing but Argument From Incredulity with you two... you've been trying to prove it's not true because you believe it can't be true because it abhors you.
Personally, I think the ideology of "eternal torture" is morally incoherent and nonsensical and smacks of the human imagination at its darkest and most depraved. I also find it interesting to discuss it with people who believe in it and who seek to argue that it is coherent. So that's why I've been pressing you, what with having had this sudden dramatic change in what you claim to know: can you unequivocally and categorically declare that it is wrong to think that destruction - and not torture - awaits those not "saved"?
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-Removed-Why should you care? You've already gone on record as someone who doesn't believe in 'a' Hell or 'a' Lake of Fire. And judging from some of your past messages it's not clear if you actually believe in the existence of heaven or not.
And apparently most everything else in the Bible offends you, except for the warm fuzzy verses telling you how much God loves you. I'm starting to wonder just how old you are and if mommy and daddy are still tucking you in at night. You seem to be completely oblivious to how you come across and what sort of picture you've been painting of yourself.
Do you have any idea how bizarre that 'FMF' thread you recently started might seem to someone who is NOT gay? Or how FMF will jump to your defense like an angry spouse defending her husband? He's done this twice in a row now... who ARE you people, and when are you going to tie the knot and settle down? Or at least get a private room for yourselves, or something...
Originally posted by lemon limeDo you have any idea how bizarre that 'FMF' thread you recently started might seem to someone who is NOT gay? Or how FMF will jump to your defense like an angry spouse defending her husband? He's done this twice in a row now... who ARE you people, and when are you going to tie the knot and settle down? Or at least get a private room for yourselves, or something...
Do you think of this as being a valid kind of debating point?
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Originally posted by FMFI know what you both personally believe, because you never get tired of reminding yourselves of what you personally believe... LOL That in itself is bizarre, because you seem to be afraid that everyone here might have forgotten what you personally believe.
[b]Do you have any idea how bizarre that 'FMF' thread you recently started might seem to someone who is NOT gay? Or how FMF will jump to your defense like an angry spouse defending her husband? He's done this twice in a row now... who ARE you people, and when are you going to tie the knot and settle down? Or at least get a private room for yourselves, or something...
Do you think of this as being a valid kind of debating point?[/b]
What you 'personally believe' and a dollar will buy you a dollars worth of candy. So what are you hoping to achieve here by repeatedly stating what you personally believe?
Originally posted by lemon lime to divegeesterAnd apparently most everything else in the Bible offends you, except for the warm fuzzy verses telling you how much God loves you. I'm starting to wonder just how old you are and if mommy and daddy are still tucking you in at night.
But, wait a minute. Didn't you yourself also not believe in eternal torture until a couple of days ago?
-Removed-Why do you two keep like acting as though you are? I don't think you are... unless you really are. But if you aren't, then what's up with the bait and switch tactics? Or evading and deflecting and then claiming others are evading and deflecting, or just generally playing around with people you don't like as though this is nothing more than a game?
If you're really not interested in hearing my point of view, then did you invite me here to only discuss your point of view? Did you invite me and others here so we would agree with you, or did you think we had nothing to bring to the table except how we feel about the issues you have strong feelings about?
Originally posted by lemon limeIf you don't think I am homosexual why do you post comments that suggest you do think I am homosexual? Do you believe these kinds of comments by you amount to valid debating points?
Why do you two keep like acting as though you are? I don't think you are... unless you really are. But if you aren't, then what's up with the bait and switch tactics?
Originally posted by lemon limeIt's a bit ironic for you to be accusing other of this, isn't it?
...Or evading and deflecting and then claiming others are evading and deflecting, or just generally playing around with people you don't like as though this is nothing more than a game?