Questions on morality

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You call it 'genocide', I call it 'God using his people to carry out his judgement'.

You have made your personal opinion about why an act of genocide can be morally justifiable quite clear. It does not benefit from being repeated over and over and over again.

Originally posted by FMF
You have made your personal opinion about why an act of genocide can be morally justifiable quite clear. It does not benefit from being repeated over and over and over again.

Assuming God does exist as portrayed in the Bible, why in your opinion would it be immoral for Him to use His people to carry out His judgement?

If he is the creator and sustainer of life why is he not allowed to take a life that he has given?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I live in the new covenant era, and not during old testament times, so with that in mind, God will never contradict Himself. In the new testament He teaches us to love our enemies.

Your superstitions have no bearing on the reality in which I live other than it's stuff I read here on my screen Your subscription to ancient Hebrew mythology ~ " old testament" or whatever ~ has left you with a moral compass I have no desire to emulate, intellectually speaking, spiritually speaking, or morally speaking. I believe your zealotry has left you morally disabled and a potential danger to those around you. I couldn't even trust you to protect my children from harm if I were to leave them in your care. And the ancient Hebrews claiming, in their own self-justifying writings, they were told to commit genocide by a supernatural being has you referring to genocide ~ for a reason you accept and agree with ~ as "infinite wisdom" and referring to human beings slaughtered by the tribe you root for as "cancer". Meanwhile, murder 6 million Jews? Get angry with your brother? Oh yes... equally "evil", apparently. Your "moral compass" has incapacitated your ability to differentiate. No thank you, Fetchmyjunk. In terms of practical, everyday morality, you come across as spiritually and intellectually handicapped.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Assuming God does exist as portrayed in the Bible, why in your opinion would it be immoral for Him to use His people to carry out His judgement?

If he is the creator and sustainer of life why is he not allowed to take a life that he has given?

Assuming your god figure existed and it ordered you to rape non-believer women as a revenge for their thoughtcrimes, why in your opinion would it be morally sound for you to carry out your god figure's judgement?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If he is the creator and sustainer of life why is he not allowed to take a life that he has given?

Your superstitions have no bearing whatsoever on any moral issues or dilemmas that I face in real life. It's like you asking me: 'If he is the creator and sustainer of life why is he not allowed to order his followers to sexually abuse children'? To me, it's sheer nonsense.

Originally posted by FMF
Your superstitions have no bearing on the reality in which I live other than it's stuff I read here on my screen Your subscription to ancient Hebrew mythology ~ " old testament" or whatever ~ has left you with a moral compass I have no desire to emulate, intellectually speaking, spiritually speaking, or morally speaking. I believe your zealotry has left you mora ...[text shortened]... of practical, everyday morality, you come across as spiritually and intellectually handicapped.

And you have concluded all of this without any objective moral standard apart from your own subjective opinion and personal preferences. When you reject the creator of the universe and his moral laws you deny the existence of actual good and evil and thus create your own good and evil by which you judge all those around you. Remove God from the equation and "Good & Evil" become just what you want them to be. You have no unchanging reference point or standard to actually measure what is good or evil. But then again by this point in the discussion you have blanked this out and I don't expect you to acknowledge this.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
And you have concluded all of this without any objective moral standard apart from your own subjective opinion and personal preferences. When you reject the creator of the universe and his moral laws you deny the existence of actual good and evil and thus create your own good and evil by which you judge all those around you. Good luck with that.

I addressed all this in some relatively long, carefully thought out posts, directed specifically at you, and tackling your views, on the "Hitler" thread. Did you just ignore them and blank out what I said in them for "objective" "universally true" reasons, or did you just ignore what I took the time to say and then blank it out - as if it simply hadn't been posted at all - for "subjective" reasons?

Originally posted by FMF
I addressed all this in some relatively long, carefully thought out posts, directed specifically at you, and tackling your views, on the "Hitler" thread. Did you just ignore them and blank out what I said in them for "objective" "universally true" reasons, or did you just ignore what I took the time to say and then blank it out - as if it simply hadn't been posted at all - for "subjective" reasons?

Yes I read all your personal opinions about your rejection of the words 'absolute, objective and subjective' because you don't like what they imply.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Yes I read all your personal opinions about your rejection of the words 'absolute, objective and subjective' because you don't like what they imply.

Nope. I wrote 3 or 4 long detailed properly laid out posts on what I believe morality is, what it's for, where it comes from, why it varies, why it changes, what our responsibilities are, and what happens when we disagree with people about moral issues... you totally ignored them. You demonstrated that you are not interested in genuine conversation. Meanwhile, you have also demonstrated - to me at least - that you have absolutely nothing useful or applicable to tell me about "good" and "evil".

Originally posted by FMF
Nope. I wrote 3 or 4 long detailed properly laid out posts on what I believe morality is, what it's for, where it comes from, why it varies, why it changes, what our responsibilities are, and what happens when we disagree with people about moral issues... you totally ignored them. You demonstrated that you are not interested in genuine conversation. Meanwhile, y ...[text shortened]... east - that you have absolutely nothing useful or applicable to tell me about "good" and "evil".

Remove God from the equation and "Good & Evil" become just what you want them to be. You have no unchanging reference point or objective standard to actually measure what is good or evil. But then again by this point in the discussion you have blanked this out and I don't expect you to acknowledge this.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You have no unchanging reference point or standard to actually measure what is good or evil.

Well, the "unchanging reference point or standard to measure what is good or evil" that you peddle has resulted in you declaring getting angry with one of your relatives is equally evil as murdering 6,000,000 people, and it's also resulted in you declaring genocide morally acceptable as long as there is some kind of supernatural reason for it. So, your "unchanging reference point or standard to measure what is good or evil" is a dud to my way of thinking. It's fanciful and incoherent nonsense.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Remove God from the equation and "Good & Evil" become just what you want them to be.

If you need to insert some kind of god figure into your thoughts in order for your moral sensibilities to become just what you want them to be, then good for you. I hope you don't engage in morally unsound actions as a result. Your talk of needing an "equation" involving some kind of supernatural creature may be important to you, but it is not persuasive at all.

Originally posted by FMF
Well, the "unchanging reference point or standard to measure what is good or evil" that you peddle has resulted in you declaring getting angry with one of your relatives is equally evil as murdering 6,000,000 people, and it's also resulted in you declaring genocide morally acceptable as long as there is some kind of supernatural reason for it. So, your "unchang ...[text shortened]... rence point or standard to measure what is good or evil"? It's fanciful and incoherent nonsense.

Well obviously you are going to think that your personal opinions are coherent since there is no objective standard by which to measure their coherence. Basically you can just shoot randomly and call whatever you hit, 'the target'. Since you are the only one who decides what is right or wrong for you.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Since you are the only one who decides what is right or wrong for you.

You seem to be under the impression that this isn't what you yourself are doing. You have tossed up such a flurry of pretentious self-aggrandizing labels ~ to burnish the turgid far-fetched ideology that you have picked up from your environment and internalized ~ that you have dazzled yourself with your own superstitious navel gazing and are seeking to project it onto people around you who are not hamstrung by the religious dogma you just so happen to find so precious and crucial for you to cope with the world around you.

Originally posted by FMF
You seem to be under the impression that this isn't what you yourself are doing. You have tossed up such a flurry of pretentious self-aggrandizing labels ~ to burnish the turgid far-fetched ideology that you have picked up from your environment and internalized ~ that you have dazzled yourself with your own superstitious navel gazing and are seeking to project i ...[text shortened]... ma you just so happen to find so precious and crucial for you to cope with the world around you.

And your own ideology has blinded you to the fact that when you remove God from morality, you remove the standard by which objective moral truth is established. In your own ideology morality is up for grabs.