Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf convincing yourself of the "truth" of all this stuff about "god" and "the equation" and the moral "maths" of "torturing babies for fun" enables you to interact with your fellow human beings in a reasonably morally sound way, then I welcome it.
And your own ideology has blinded you to the fact that when you remove God from morality, you remove the standard by which objective moral truth is established. In your own ideology morality is up for grabs.
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Originally posted by FMF'Reasonably morally sound' according to your own personal preferences of what is morally sound.
If convincing yourself of the "truth" of all this stuff about "god" and "the equation" and the moral "maths" of "torturing babies for fun" enables you to interact with your fellow human beings in a reasonably morally sound way, then I welcome it.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWell if it's me who is witnessing/experiencing your morally unsound behaviour, then according to me, of course. Good grief. Have you not read or understood a word I've said?
'Reasonably morally sound' according to who or what?
As long as you try your best not to harm people, not to deceive people, and not to coerce people, then I welcome it, regardless of the fantastical yarns about angels and demons and gods that so appeal to your imagination and which, apparently, you need to believe in in order to be able to differentiate between right and wrong..
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Originally posted by FMFBut what reason to I have to accept your preference of what is 'morally sound' ahead of someone else's preference of what is 'morally sound'. How would I know that your preference is the correct one? On what basis do you insist that your moral preferences are the correct ones?
Well if it's me who is witnessing/experiencing your morally unsound behaviour, then according to me, of course. Good grief. Have you not read or understood a word I've said?
As long as you try your best not to harm people, not to deceive people, and not to coerce people, then I welcome it, regardless of the fantastical yarns about angels and demons and gods ...[text shortened]... pparently, you need to believe in in order to be able to differentiate between right and wrong..
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou don't have to accept it. You don't seem to have understood anything I have said these past few weeks. You don't have to accept or agree with my approval or disapproval of your behaviour.
But what reason to I have to accept your preference of what is 'morally sound' ahead of someone else's preference of what is 'morally sound'.
Originally posted by FMFIndeed that is the nature of morality without God. No one has to accept anyone else's opinion of moral truth since they all establish their own.
You don't have to accept it. You don't seem to have understood anything I have said these past few weeks. You don't have to accept or agree with my approval or disapproval of your behaviour.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am telling you what my moral principles are, and I am telling you where people like you and I get our moral sensibilities from, and I am telling you that I endeavour to stick to my principles, that I have respect for those who share them, and even that I am willing to learn from the moral codes other people profess and abide by.. This thing about whether I "insist" this or "insist" that is one of your rhetorical gimmicks. If you don't think my moral principles are "the correct ones", so what? So be it.
On what basis do you insist that your moral preferences are the correct ones?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkDo you believe that I "have to accept" your opinion of moral truth on account of your professed superstitious beliefs about a god?
Indeed that is the nature of morality without God. No one has to accept anyone else's opinion of moral truth since they all establish their own.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI answered your question. I then looked at it. I then checked another thread. And then I came back and your question was still there. And off I went. And then about twenty minutes later I saw that you had changed your post so that it was no longer the question that I had answered.
I edited it before I saw your answer to it. Your personal preference of 'bad form' is of no consequence to me. 😉
Originally posted by FMFBut if you derived your moral sensibilities in the same way that Nazi Germany derived theirs how can you say their morals are wrong and yours are correct?
I am telling you what my moral principles are, and I am telling you where people like you and I get our moral sensibilities from, and I am telling you that I endeavour to stick to my principles, that I have respect for those who share them, and even that I am willing to learn from the moral codes other people profess and abide by.. This thing about whether I "in ...[text shortened]... ical gimmicks. If you don't think my moral principles are "the correct ones", so what? So be it.
Originally posted by FMFIf God does exist and he will judge you based on his standards you will have to accept them at some point. Right now you can do as you please since you have been given a free will.
Do you believe that I "have to accept" your opinion of moral truth on account of your professed superstitious beliefs about a god?
Originally posted by FMFI literally edited my post a few seconds before you posted your answer.
I answered your question. I then looked at it. I then checked another thread. And then I came back and your question was still there. And off I went. And then about twenty minutes later I saw that you had changed your post so that it was no longer the question that I had answered.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHa ha, yeah sure. and If your god does exist and he tells you that, based on his standards, it is morally right to carry out a genocide, then you will argue that it is morally right to carry it out, and then, if you obey it (your god figure), we will see you and your "moral absolutes" in action.
If God does exist and he will judge you based on his standards you will have to accept them at some point. Right now you can do as you please since you have been given a free will.