Originally posted by @thinkofoneDo you understand the difference between a real society and a society someone asks you to imagine? You know, reality versus imagination? Do you have a problem reading novels of fiction? I'm guessing science fiction would be totally unimaginable for you. Too bad misanthropy isn't.
[b]Imagine a society in which everyone always said exactly and fully what was on their minds to everyone all the time, whether prompted to or not.
People don't have to lie. They don't have to divulge " fully what was on their minds to everyone all the time" either. This is a ridiculous false dichotomy that amounts to a nonsensical rationalization ...[text shortened]... 've ever know is also one of the biggest liars I've ever known. It's not a complete coincidence.[/b]
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Originally posted by @moonbusMy mother always would say, "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all." So, sometimes nice things were said that I didn't mean. And sometimes, friendships were started which wouldn't have bloomed otherwise.
If you are unsure what to do, then do something polite. That cannot be a sin in the eyes of a loving God.
Originally posted by @moonbusThere is a difference between honesty and openness, and this bears on Ghost’s thread topic. Did Jesus lie to his disciples about not going to Jerusalem and then going secretly, or was he merely not entirely open with them?
There is a difference between honesty and openness, and this bears on Ghost’s thread topic. Did Jesus lie to his disciples about not going to Jerusalem and then going secretly, or was he merely not entirely open with them?
That politeness has nothing to do with truthfulness is obvious. Taken in the context in which I mentioned it, namely t ...[text shortened]... veryone says all the time, Even the commandment “thou shalt not kill” has legitimate exceptions.
Yes there is a difference. As I said, <<People don't have to lie. They don't have to divulge " fully what was on their minds to everyone all the time" either. >>
There's no reason to believe that Jesus was necessarily lying in that situation. GoaD's premise that Jesus was lying is nonsense. Even he backed it off to "possibly lying" when questioned.
The premise of the OP is also nonsense: "'Small lies' are necessary for society not to grind to a halt. It makes us more efficient as a species and to get things done." Please.
As for propounding a ridiculous false dichotomy, it was nothing of the sort.
Actually it was. Why else frame it that way? It's the type of argument that one might expect from a young teen. Depicting a ridiculous scenario does not a cogent argument make.
As I said, << <<People don't have to lie. They don't have to divulge " fully what was on their minds to everyone all the time" either. >> There's a wide gulf in between with a myriad of options.
Originally posted by @suzianneDo you understand the difference between a real society and a society someone asks you to imagine?
Do you understand the difference between a real society and a society someone asks you to imagine? You know, reality versus imagination? Do you have a problem reading novels of fiction? I'm guessing science fiction would be totally unimaginable for you. Too bad misanthropy isn't.
Yes I do.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneMm, the verdict is still out on that.
[b]Do you understand the difference between a real society and a society someone asks you to imagine?
Yes I do.[/b]
'Lying is sometimes necessary.' You have offered squat to disprove that.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou have offered squat to prove it. It's incumbent on you to do so.
Mm, the verdict is still out on that.
'Lying is sometimes necessary.' You have offered squat to disprove that.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneSir, you are a rather splendid fellow and communicating with you is a real pleasure. (Lie alert! lie alert!)
You have offered squat to prove it. It's incumbent on you to do so.
When you state the words of Jesus can be attributed to him, is it not similarly incumbent upon you to say why?
Chew on that Sherlock.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeSir, you are a rather splendid fellow and communicating with you is a real pleasure. (Lie alert! lie alert!)
Sir, you are a rather splendid fellow and communicating with you is a real pleasure. (Lie alert! lie alert!)
When you state the words of Jesus can be attributed to him, is it not similarly incumbent upon you to say why?
Chew on that Sherlock.
That's just your pride talking at having been bested.
When you state the words of Jesus can be attributed to him, is it not similarly incumbent
upon you to say why?
Look at a Bible where words are attributed to Jesus. They not only CAN be attributed to him - they were.
You're such a simpleton.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneThe simpleton factor only comes in sir when you uphold the credibility of the words attributed to Jesus while simultaneously rubbishing other parts of the Bible.
[b]When you state the words of Jesus can be attributed to him, is it not similarly incumbent
upon you to say why?
Look at a Bible where words are attributed to Jesus. They not only CAN be attributed to him - they were.
You're such a simpleton.[/b]
Apparently only the bits 'you' like can be trusted.
Man that's dumb.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
The simpleton factor only comes in sir when you uphold the credibility of the words attributed to Jesus while simultaneously rubbishing other parts of the Bible.
Apparently only the bits 'you' like can be trusted.
Man that's dumb.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou do get that it's not whether words have been attributed to Jesus that is in question, by why 'you' trust them as genuine, while discrediting other parts of the same book?
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Man, you're slow on the uptake.
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Originally posted by @suzianneThinkofone's beliefs are probably the most precarious out of all the regular posters in this forum (which explains why he is so reluctant to answer direct questions).
Do you understand the difference between a real society and a society someone asks you to imagine? You know, reality versus imagination? Do you have a problem reading novels of fiction? I'm guessing science fiction would be totally unimaginable for you. Too bad misanthropy isn't.
The same Bible that attributes teachings to Jesus (which he accepts, by and large are genuine and to be trusted) also provides accounts that he doesn't believe are genuine or to be trusted.
Apparently only he can decide which cherries on the biblical tree are genuine and which are rotten, but under absolutely no circumstances will he explain why this is the case.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou answered this once, years ago, I think. Your position was that the homeowner shouldn't lie to the Gestapo about harboring Jews.
Those type of contrived "hypothetical situations" hardly make cogent arguments.
Somehow I doubt the gestapo went around asking people "Are you sheltering any Jews?" rather than just kicking down doors when they had reason for suspicion.
"real historical precedents" lol.
That was probably when you got paranoid about answering questions. No doubt the backlash was severe.
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Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemAnd rightly so.
You answered this once, years ago, I think. Your position was that the homeowner shouldn't lie to the Gestapo about harboring Jews.
That was probably when you got paranoid about answering questions. No doubt the backlash was severe.
Something a little scary about the mindset of somebody who wouldn't lie, even to save someone's life.