Originally posted by @rajk999<<Your interpretation of 'it is finished', is just a licence to sin.
I do ... you told me. But it makes no sense.
Your doctrine is not in the bible.
Whenever you need to quote a load of irrelevant passages like you did
to prove your point .. then it is not in the bible.
Jesus said it is finished because His work is done.
The only question now is what is the work that is done.
The work is what God sent his Son to do ...[text shortened]... ence to sin.
its the single most dangerous fatal doctrine in Christianity
pathetic nonsense.
its the single most dangerous fatal doctrine in Christianity
pathetic nonsense.[/b]>>
Your belief that salvation-by-faith-alone Christians think they have a license to sin reveals your total lack of understanding about what loving Jesus Christ and being in a relationship with Him means.
You can’t understand that a salvation-by-faith-alone Christian would not want to commit sin due to the love he or she possesses for Jesus. You can’t understand this because you have never accepted Christ into your heart and are not in a relationship with Him.
Your lack of understanding here is sadly another example of the faulty thinking that develops from your false salvation-by-works doctrine. You consistently ignore the power of God’s Holy Spirit in indwelling a new believer and changing that believer’s heart - likely because you do not believe God’s Holy Spirit indwells new believers.
You deny that Jesus was/is God in the flesh. You deny the power of God’s Holy Spirit to indwell new believers and change their hearts and lives.
Originally posted by @romans1009Got some references?
<<Your interpretation of 'it is finished', is just a licence to sin.
its the single most dangerous fatal doctrine in Christianity
pathetic nonsense.>>
Your belief that salvation-by-faith-alone Christians think they have a license to sin reveals your total lack of understanding about what loving Jesus Christ and being in a relationship with Him ...[text shortened]... deny the power of God’s Holy Spirit to indwell new believers and change their hearts and lives.[/b]
Not interested in your church doctrine.
Originally posted by @rajk999There it is - total lack of understanding. You have a real hatred for the church and anyone who sings praises to God. At your core, you don’t love Jesus Christ. At best, you see Him as an authoritarian disciplinarian.
Got some references?
Not interested in your church doctrine.
Not that it will do any good, but here are some verses to think about the next time you feel compelled to rail against salvation-by-faith-alone Christians and condemn them to hell:
“Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
We love him, because he first loved us.
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”
(1 John 4:13-21)
Originally posted by @romans1009Here is how to do it.
There it is - total lack of understanding. You have a real hatred for the church and anyone who sings praises to God. At your core, you don’t love Jesus Christ. At best, you see Him as an authoritarian disciplinarian.
Not that it will do any good, but here are some verses to think about the next time you feel compelled to rail against salvation-by-fai ...[text shortened]... commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”
(1 John 4:13-21)
State your case or make a point
Quote a reference or two.
Dont carry on like nag or bray like a donkey
Use simple clear language.
Too many verses mean nothing.
it just demonstrates your ignorance of the Bible teaching
and shows how far off your church is from the truth of Christ.
Originally posted by @rajk999As I accurately predicted, posting those verses did no good. It just brought out the hate that lives within you. So ironic that verses about love would cause that kind of reaction from you.
Here is how to do it.
State your case or make a point
Quote a reference or two.
Dont carry on like nag or bray like a donkey
Use simple clear language.
Too many verses mean nothing.
it just demonstrates your ignorance of the Bible teaching
and shows how far off your church is from the truth of Christ.
Hopefully, one day you will humble yourself before God, realize what a degenerate sinner you are, repent of your sins and understand what Jesus went through to make salvation available to you. That raw hate inside of you won’t go away until you do.
Originally posted by @romans1009More church doctrine?
As I accurately predicted, posting those verses did no good. It just brought out the hate that lives within you. So ironic that verses about love would cause that kind of reaction from you.
Hopefully, one day you will humble yourself before God, realize what a degenerate sinner you are, repent of your sins and understand what Jesus went through to make salvation available to you. That raw hate inside of you won’t go away until you do.
What next 10% of my salary?
lol 😀
Originally posted by @rajk999How do the verses I posted represent church doctrine? You realize those verses about God’s Holy Spirit indwelling believers and about love are from the Bible, don’t you?
More church doctrine?
What next 10% of my salary?
lol 😀
Why such hate, rajk?
You can’t dispute what I have posted so you falsely imply it’s not from the Bible and is only church doctrine? You don’t have love in you - you just seem to have hate - because you don’t believe in the deity of Jesus Christ and haven’t accepted Him into your heart. I hope one day you do and realize your false doctrine is not the Way.
Originally posted by @romans1009The only hate around here is you beginning to hate your church doctrine because it is false. It takes a while to deal with it... have patience.
How do the verses I posted represent church doctrine? You realize those verses about God’s Holy Spirit indwelling believers and about love are from the Bible, don’t you?
Why such hate, rajk?
You can’t dispute what I have posted so you falsely imply it’s not from the Bible and is only church doctrine? You don’t have love in you - you just seem to ha ...[text shortened]... epted Him into your heart. I hope one day you do and realize your false doctrine is not the Way.
Have your reconciled Ephesians chap 2 with chap 5 yet?
Do you still think 'saved' = 'eternal life'?
Originally posted by @rajk999My beliefs are based on the Bible.
The only hate around here is you beginning to hate your church doctrine because it is false. It takes a while to deal with it... have patience.
Have your reconciled Ephesians chap 2 with chap 5 yet?
Do you still think 'saved' = 'eternal life'?
Originally posted by @romans1009Paul said only those who live righteously will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
My beliefs are based on the Bible.
Read Ephesians, 3, 4 and 5 and you will see who inherits the Kingdom of God
I know its kinda long and you lack the reading and comprehension skills
Plus you like one sentence doctrines
lol😀
You say you get eternal life by professing your faith.
Paul said no such thing
Originally posted by @rajk999Not surprised you’re misrepresenting what I believe and bearing false witness against me. You live in the flesh and can’t help yourself.
Paul said only those who live righteously will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
Read Ephesians, 3, 4 and 5 and you will see who inherits the Kingdom of God
I know its kinda long and you lack the reading and comprehension skills
Plus you like one sentence doctrines
lol😀
You say you get eternal life by professing your faith.
Paul said no such thing
I believe one is saved by believing in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection. You reject the deity of Christ and have written that atheists go to heaven based on good works - in clear contradiction of Jesus’ statement in John 14:6:
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
According to the Apostle John, described in the Scriptures as the Apostle whom Jesus loved, you have neither the Father nor the Son and are a “small letter ‘a’ ” antiChrist.
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
(1 John 2:22-23)
Originally posted by @rajk999Do you know what apostasy means?
Trying to change the topic ?
You failed to explain what Jesus means by 'IT IS FINISHED'
You quoted a bunch of irrelevant passsges, without any explanation
I know from talking to church people what they think it means ::
[i]- that the debt for sin is paid in full by the death of Christ.
- that nothing further is required for eternal life
- that i ...[text shortened]... he Bible can the above doctrine be supported.
If it can then please quote the relevant passages
An apostate is one who has abandoned the truths of God's Word, and replaces them with false doctrine and incorrect interpretations of scripture due to an over exaggerated sense of self righteousness.
The next step from there is being reprobate. A reprobate is one that can no longer recognize the truths of God's Word when he hears them.
Originally posted by @romans1009What did Paul say in Ephesians 5 ? .. only the righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God
Not surprised you’re misrepresenting what I believe and bearing false witness against me. You live in the flesh and can’t help yourself.
I believe one is saved by believing in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection. You reject the deity of Christ and have written that atheists go to heaven based on good works - in clear contradiction of Jesus’ statement ...[text shortened]... me hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
(1 John 2:22-23)
Gods grace through Jesus death saves those who have faith.
Saved does NOT equal eternal life
Saved Plus Righteous Living = Eternal life
Originally posted by @rajk999You say “saved” is a temporary condition? Until when? The time of death?
What did Paul say in Ephesians 5 ? [b] .. only the righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God
Gods grace through Jesus death saves those who have faith.
Saved does NOT equal eternal life
Saved Plus Righteous Living = Eternal life[/b]
Does John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 say that?
Where is your Biblical support for the notion that one only learns if he or she has eternal life after death?
Originally posted by @rajk999Now you’re claiming “righteous living” is the standard for eternal life?
What did Paul say in Ephesians 5 ? [b] .. only the righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God
Gods grace through Jesus death saves those who have faith.
Saved does NOT equal eternal life
Saved Plus Righteous Living = Eternal life[/b]
Before you said it was not committing a single sin.
Which is it?