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Originally posted by FMF
In so far as adultery harms others, involves deception or coercion, or the breaking contracts/promises, I think it is morally unsound.

The definition I get with a quick Google is "voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse". I would say that such a sexual relationship that has the willing and informed and ...[text shortened]... ok or you think a supernatural being told you that adultery is immoral, then I'm fine with that.

Adultery is always the breaking of a marriage vow is it not? When wouldn't it be?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Adultery is always the breaking of a marriage vow is it not? When wouldn't it be?

I think I have dealt with the circumstances, in my view, in which "extra marital sex" or "adultery" would be morally unsound and the circumstances in which it would not be morally unsound in my previous post. It was clear and reasonably thorough. You should perhaps read it again.

Originally posted by FMF
I think I have dealt with the circumstances, in my view, in which "extra marital sex" or "adultery" would be morally unsound and the circumstances in which it would not be morally unsound in my previous post. It was clear and reasonably thorough. You should perhaps read it again.

Ah ok so swinging is a perfectly moral act by your standards?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ah ok so swinging is a perfectly moral act by your standards?

The moral dimension of "adultery" as I see it is laid out in my post at the bottom of the previous page. I'm pretty sure the moral implications - i.e. the moral soundness or unsoundness - of whatever you mean exactly by "swinging" are covered by what I said in that post. You should perhaps read it again.

Originally posted by FMF
The moral dimension of "adultery" as I see it is laid out in my post at the bottom of the previous page. I'm pretty sure the moral implications - i.e. the moral soundness or unsoundness - of whatever you mean exactly by "swinging" are covered by what I said in that post. You should perhaps read it again.

Yes I notice you are able to justify anything you want, even adultery since morality is a matter of personal preference whether you would like to admit it or not. It is the start of a slippery slope. I'm betting even Hitler was able to justify the holocaust.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Yes I notice you are able to justify anything you want, even adultery since morality is a matter of personal preference whether you would like to admit it or not. It is the start of a slippery slope. I'm betting even Hitler was able to justify the holocaust.

That's three posts in a row from you that have pointedly sought to avoid any genuine joined-up discussion of the considered point of view I expressed at the bottom of the previous page. Three little blurts from you and the third one even seeks to compare me to Hitler in some way.

If you don't wish to discuss the topic of adultery with someone who's not from your religion ~ and who doesn't base his view that adultery is morally unsound on a religious book or from a supposed revelation of a supernatural being, then why did you bring it up?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke to Fetchmyjunk

I understand clearly that 'YOU' want him to 'admit that morality to him is merely a matter of personal preference.' However just because 'you' want him to admit such a thing doesn't make it so. Your tiresome tactic appears to be to repeatedly ask someone to admit something that 'you' have decided they believe, even when they have made their beliefs evident. (Perhaps in an attempt to 'wear them down' and win some kind of hollow victory).

Take a look at the last page or two. Fetchmyjunk raises the issue of morality as it pertains to adultery and then, for all intents and purposes, flatly refuses to discuss anything about it that he disagrees with.

I explain exactly when, why and how I find adultery to be morally unsound, and because it's different from his view, within a few dozen words tapped out on his keyboard, he's telling me that he's "...betting even Hitler was able to justify the holocaust"! Gosh.

Maybe he is just being something he calls "absolute" but to me it amounts to little more than a dogged and grinding kind of evasion.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Either morality is absolute or it is a matter of personal preference. Take your pick.

That's a False Dichotomy.

Originally posted by FMF
In so far as adultery harms others, involves deception or coercion, or the breaking contracts/promises, I think it is morally unsound.

The definition I get with a quick Google is "voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse". I would say that such a sexual relationship that has the willing and informed and ...[text shortened]... ok or you think a supernatural being told you that adultery is immoral, then I'm fine with that.

Would you say that the acts of "harming others", "deception or coercion", and "breaking promises" are intrinsically bad?

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
That's a False Dichotomy.

What other options would you say there are?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Would you say that the acts of "harming others", "deception or coercion", and "breaking promises" are intrinsically bad?

I would say they form the cause and substance of basically all immoral actions I can think of except in instances where they are justifiable or necessary such as when dealing with people who threaten or do harm to you, your loved ones, or others you would seek to defend or protect.

Has your supposed "discussion" of adultery been drawn to a close with your comment about Hitler and the Holocaust?

Originally posted by FMF
I would say they form the cause and substance of basically all immoral actions I can think of except in instances where they are justifiable or necessary such as when dealing with people who threaten or do harm to you, your loved ones, or others you would seek to defend or protect.

Has your supposed "discussion" of adultery been drawn to a close with your comment about Hitler and the Holocaust?

So to be clear you are saying they are not intrinsically bad? If so, do you believe there are any actions that are intrinsically bad?

Also, why would adultery be bad when when it causes things to happen that aren't necessarily bad by nature?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What other options would you say there are?

I think you should figure it out for yourself - it would be more beneficial.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
I think you should figure it out for yourself - it would be more beneficial.

Or maybe you just made a statement that you cannot back up.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So to be clear you are saying they are not intrinsically bad?

I think I have been very clear.