Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou asked him what "he believes." Why then are you not satisfied with his 'personal' explanation?
Listing a few scenarios when he thinks lying is not immoral doesn't explain to me what the criteria is for deciding if deception is ok or not. It merely informs me of his personal preference.
If you have no interest in his personal explanation, then don't ask him what he believes.
Originally posted by josephwNo I believe that deception is morally unsound, and I've always been clear and consistent about that, but, when questioned about when it might not be unsound (or might be justifiable), I offered 7-8 examples. Do you agree that in such situations it might be justifiable not to tell the truth?
So you've generated an argument for why and when it is not immoral to lie?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI've just read what you posted about your alleged life in a cult again and it strikes me as a tale of psychological abuse (and an oddly generic or off-the-shelf one too, but never mind that aspect), more especially when it continued through your teenage years and actually lasted 24 years in all.
What exactly did I say that gave you the impression that I was psychologically abused?
All that time you were cut off in various ways from normality and constantly indoctrinated with the notion of any dissidence being punished by going to hell and being "shunned like lepers" and the threat of your parents disowning you always hanging over your head? Good grief.
If that was not an abusive psychological environment, then why not come out and say that you don't think it was ~ and say so unequivocally? You are supposedly free of the cult now, so you shouldn't be hiding behind what it really meant, and what effect it actually had on you all these years later, here on a message board.
Originally posted by FMFThankfully every family member has left the cult, after 30 years.
I've just read what you posted about your alleged life in a cult again and it strikes me as a tale of psychological abuse (and an oddly generic or off-the-shelf one too, but never mind that aspect), more especially when it continued through your teenage years and actually lasted 24 years in all.
All that time you were cut off in various ways from normality a ...[text shortened]... ly meant, and what effect it actually had on you all these years later, here on a message board.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeHe just doesn't seem willing to admit that 'morality' to him is merely a matter of personal preference.
You asked him what "he believes." Why then are you not satisfied with his 'personal' explanation?
If you have no interest in his personal explanation, then don't ask him what he believes.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWell, it was you - and not me - who decided to talk about your supposed treatment at the hands of a cult and it was you who cited it as a reason for your behaviour on this forum ~ behaviour for which, I might add, at one point, you felt you needed to apologize. You now seem to be saying that you weren't psychologically abused, even though you used the cult as an excuse for your borderline dysfunctional forum behaviour. When I tackled you about your behaviour you said "It's one thing to get out of a cult but it is another thing to get the cult out of you." Perhaps the yarn about the cult was a decoy, as someone else suggested.
Not interested in your red herrings.
I've told you what I think the sources of morality are, I have told you what I think constitutes morally sound behaviour, in the case of deception I even gave some examples of where not telling the truth might be morally justifiable, I have told you how I see "sin" and morality as being different things, and yet you have basically ignored all this, pretended I haven't been trying to discuss the topic, and you've asked the same questions over and over and over again as if you've simply been taking the piss. Hence my question: when whatever happened to you during those alleged 24 years in the cult, did people talk to you using the same rhetorical tricks and ticks that you use here when you purport to be discussing things with me in good faith?
Originally posted by FMFWhat rhetorical tricks and ticks are you talking about?
Well, it was you - and not me - who decided to talk about your supposed treatment at the hands of a cult and it was you who cited it as a reason for your behaviour on this forum ~ behaviour for which, I might add, at one point, you felt you needed to apologize. You now seem to be saying that you weren't psychologically abused, even though you used the cult as an ...[text shortened]... icks and ticks that you use here when you purport to be discussing things with me in good faith?
So you agree then that morality for you is merely a matter of personal preference?