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Originally posted by FMFObviously any question you do not wish to or cannot answer is 'disingenuous'. I have never asked you why you view deception to be immoral. If you want to lie and pretend otherwise so as to "postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time", feel free to do so. 😉
If you could just somehow recall any of the numerous times I have offered my views on morality and my justifications for it you'd already know the answer. Indeed, I have no doubt you do already know the answer but you think asking disingenuous question after asking disingenuous question constitutes discourse. Why are you still blanking out all the examples of my viewpoint that I have fed into our discussion?
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHow am I "lying"? I have explained in detail to you - and in public here many times - the reasons for my views on what is morally sound and what is morally unsound ~ as they pertain to deception, damage and coercion, with examples and caveats and all the rest. This is what discussions are all about. I am not "pretending" anything. So I don't know what you're on about. Once again, why are you still just blanking out all the examples of my viewpoint that I have fed into our discussion?
I have never asked you why you view deception to be immoral. If you want to lie and pretend otherwise so as to "postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time", feel free to do so. 😉
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIgnoring what people say in discussions and then asking questions again and again about the same things where you have deliberately ignored what was previously said ~ these are disingenuous questions.
Obviously any question you do not wish to or cannot answer is 'disingenuous'.
Originally posted by FMFYou have admitted that you believe "lying to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time" is not immoral. So right now (for all I know) you could be "lying to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time" and believe that you are not doing anything immoral.
How am I "lying"? I have explained in detail to you - and in public here many times - the reasons for my views on what is morally sound and what is morally unsound ~ as they pertain to deception, damage and coercion, with examples and caveats and all the rest. This is what discussions are all about. I am not "pretending" anything. So I don't know what you're on ...[text shortened]... ou still just blanking out all the examples of my viewpoint that I have fed into our discussion?
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Originally posted by FMFI have never asked you why you view "deception" to be immoral. If you say I have you are clearly lying "to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time", which is clearly not immoral by your view and totally makes sense now.
Ignoring what people say in discussions and then asking questions again and again about the same things where you have deliberately ignored what was previously said ~ these are disingenuous questions.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkOK, I get it. My attempt to discuss this with you might - in your view - be an example of immorality. Fine. I get what you're saying.
You have admitted that you believe "lying to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time" is not immoral. So right now (for all I know) you could be "lying to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time" and believe that you are not doing anything immoral.
Originally posted by FMFOr as you have admitted, you may be lying to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time, since you do not view that to be immoral.
OK, I get it. My attempt to discuss this with you might - in your view - be an example of immorality. Fine. I get what you're saying.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkOK, you've said more or less the exact same thing three times, so you presumably think you're really onto something here in this 'discussion'. I was of course talking about postponing something like the moment you tell someone some bad news like someone has died or something terrible has happened, but you're not going to discuss this example genuinely, you're going to use it as a gimmick. I see.
If you want to lie and pretend otherwise so as to "postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time", feel free to do so.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkFour times now you have trotted out the same thing disingenuously, rather than discuss it. I get what what you're doing here.
Or as you have admitted, you may be lying to postpone discussing the truth until a more opportune time, since you do not view that to be immoral.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAs I said, I am not pretending anything. I have explained in detail to you - and in public here many times - the reasons for my views on what is morally sound and what is morally unsound ~ as they pertain to deception, damage and coercion.
Why pretend to have answered a question that you know you haven't?
Originally posted by FMFAh ok so you think you should lie to someone about someone being dead only for them to later find out later that it did in fact happen. That would certainly make them feel better and trust you in the future. Good call.
OK, you've said more or less the exact same thing three times, so you presumably think you're really onto something here in this 'discussion'. I was of course talking about postponing something like the moment you tell someone some bad news like someone has died or something terrible has happened, but you're not going to discuss this example genuinely, you're going to use it as a gimmick. I see.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhen you were psychologically abused - as you'd have me believe - for 24 years in the cult you claim you were in, did people talk to you using the same rhetorical tricks and ticks that you use here when you purport to be discussing things and asking people questions?
It is obviously a question you are not comfortable discussing.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhat are you talking about now?
Ah ok so you think you should lie to someone about someone being dead only for them to later find out later that it did in fact happen. That would certainly make them feel better and trust you in the future. Good call.