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Originally posted by FMF
As I said, I am not pretending anything. I have explained in detail to you - and in public here many times - the reasons for my views on what is morally sound and what is morally unsound ~ as they pertain to deception, damage and coercion.

So how does everything you have said answer my question as to why you believe deception is immoral?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So how does everything you have said answer my question as to why you believe deception is immoral?

You'll just have to keep looking for moments - like the 4th September - when I didn't say something or other - until you come across a moment when I did - and then you'll know.

Originally posted by FMF
When you were psychologically abused - as you'd have me believe - for 24 years in the cult you claim you were in, did people talk to you using the same rhetorical tricks and ticks that you use here when you purport to be discussing things and asking people questions?

When exactly did I claim to be 'psychologically abused'? Is this another occasion whereby you see fit to lie? It seems you can't help yourself.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When exactly did I claim to be 'psychologically abused'? Is this another occasion whereby you see fit to lie? It seems you can't help yourself.

Well, if that bog standard I-could-have-written-it description you gave of your 24 years of life in a cult was not a description of treatment that amounted to psychological abuse, then just say so.

Originally posted by FMF
You'll just have to keep looking for moments - like the 4th September - when I [b]didn't say something or other - until you come across a moment when I did - and then you'll know.[/b]

Ok clearly you can't or don't want to answer my question.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok clearly you can't or don't want to answer my question.

I suggest you simply tell yourself whatever you want.

Originally posted by FMF
Well, if that bog standard I-could-have-written-it description you gave of your 24 years of life in a cult was not a description of treatment that amounted to psychological abuse, then just say so.

What exactly did I say that gave you the impression that I was psychologically abused?

Originally posted by FMF
I suggest you simply tell yourself whatever you want.

More evidence to support my claim.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What exactly did I say that gave you the impression that I was psychologically abused?

You gave me the impression that you were psychologically abused with your description of how you were treated and how you managed to escape from it. Perhaps you copy pasted it from a web site and do not remember its content?

If you now say your treatment at the hands of your family and the cult did not amount to psychological abuse, then I will take your word for it. But you should bear in mind that when you apologized for your strange behaviour towards me (an apology which you seemed to retract or forget later) you also tried to explain your peculiar and unpleasant interpersonal behaviour by saying something along the lines of 'you can take a person out of the cult, but you can't always take the cult out of a person.'

Your description of how you were treated as a child and as a youth, that sudden apology, your attribution of your troll-like behaviour to your cult past, and your change of mind about your apology and your seemingly retracted undertaking to stop with the lumbering piss-take act, all appeared to point towards psychological abuse; I thought you'd acknowledged it and blamed it. If I've got the wrong end of the stick, just say so.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So when is it immoral and when is it not immoral?

Do you have any comment on the ideas I offered about when lying is arguably not immoral?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you have any comment on the ideas I offered about when lying is arguably not immoral?

I missed a bunch of stuff, sorry. But you want at my beautiful kids? That way over there.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
On the 8th September last year sir, not once did you mention aubergines.

I think you will agree, I've won this argument.

Vegetarians. 🙄 😉

Originally posted by FMF
Do you have any comment on the ideas I offered about when lying is arguably not immoral?

So you've generated an argument for why and when it is not immoral to lie?

Is that possible? Sounds like a strangely self-indulgent manipulation of morality to justify one's excuses for not telling the truth.

Originally posted by FMF
You gave me the impression that you were psychologically abused with your description of how you were treated and how you managed to escape from it. Perhaps you copy pasted it from a web site and do not remember its content?

If you now say your treatment at the hands of your family and the cult did not amount to psychological abuse, then I will take your wor ...[text shortened]... hought you'd acknowledged it and blamed it. If I've got the wrong end of the stick, just say so.

And all of this is a red herring to deflect from the fact that you haven't told my why you believe deception is morally unsound in some cases and not in other cases.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you have any comment on the ideas I offered about when lying is arguably not immoral?

Yes it seems to me that morality to you is merely a matter of personal preference. And I see no reason why you can't justify almost any action.