01 Mar 16
Originally posted by sonshipSo, if you accept that someone cannot somehow simply "decide" to believe something they don't believe in, why does your proselytism rely so heavily on ~ and so often resort to ~ the assertion that doing so is necessary and/or possible?
Sorry, I just can't "decide" that this objective truth seeking figure exists, according to your own philosophy.
01 Mar 16
Originally posted by sonshipYou have dodged the content of my post. Your anecdote about someone saying "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!" simply does not address the question that has been put to you.
Translation - Let me twist your logic, and call that "getting it straight."
02 Mar 16
Originally posted by FMF"I'm not talking about the way other people dodge the content of posts."
I'm not talking about the way other people dodge the content of posts. I'm talking about the way you dodge the content of posts.
Neither was I. What's your point? I mean, you know, other than twisting my words.
"I'm talking about the way you dodge the content of posts."
What you said was "It's interesting how often you... dodge the content of other people's posts." Other people's posts. Please tell me why I should be concerned with "other people's posts". You think I should call these "other people" out for the things they say which YOU disagree with. Sorry. Fight your own battles, if you can. But don't pontificate for pages and pages in someone else's thread, repeatedly asking the same question, over and over and over and over and over again, even after being answered the first time.
02 Mar 16
Originally posted by divegeesterActually, it was far wide of the mark.
Looked bang on target to me 😉
If it were a pitch, it would have been a ball, certainly not a strike, since it was so far outside the box.
Repeating something ad nauseum doesn't make it more true. That may make other weak minds agree with you, but it still doesn't make the assertion true. GB is not a criminal, and yet you both persist in making practically everything he posts into the raving of a criminal mind. I guess we should just consider the source. This is what happens when you criminalize people for merely disagreeing with you.
02 Mar 16
Originally posted by FMFSo now it's sonship? Is "everyone" dodging the content of your posts? If you don't like his answers, stop asking the same question over and over again. You got your answer, regardless of whether it's the answer you were looking for. Is sonship the next person you're going to "criminalize" for disagreeing with you?
You have dodged the content of my post. Your anecdote about someone saying "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!" simply does not address the question that has been put to you.
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Originally posted by FMFWhen you fail to convince a Christian to accept your unbelief you fall back on the word "proselytism". Everybody knows that to proselytize is a no no.
So, if you accept that someone cannot somehow simply "decide" to believe something they don't believe in, why does your proselytism rely so heavily on ~ and so often resort to ~ the assertion that doing so is necessary and/or possible?
Well, I will observe Christ's commission to announce the good news.
If you follow me around and cannot subdue me to accept atheism, you can pout about such failure as me "proselytizing".
Your argument is exposed as self defeating.
A standard that you insist to lay on the evangelist you don't apply to yourself.
According to your own world view, one cannot will up to decide to believe what he doesn't believe.
The exception of course being that you desire me to will up to decide to believe in your objective figure and your alleged futility of Christians telling others how to meet the Lord.
What I rely on is the living God being real as He is and being faithful. I know that some will not believe. I know that. You don't have to remind me of that.
I know that some people will say "I cannot believe the Bible."
We simply make it up on those who do come to believe, in time.
They do experience not only their faith but God's faithfulness.
Besides, we understand as having also spent time in unbelief, even a long time.
So we see the good news spreading on the five continents.
24 Mar 16
Originally posted by sonshipSubdue you to accept atheism? What a paranoid notion it is you have!
If you follow me around and cannot subdue me to accept atheism, you can pout about such failure as me "proselytizing".
If you don't like to get feedback on your proselytism, why do you post on a Spirituality Forum that is not a Christianity Forum and is not populated exclusively by people who already have the same beliefs as you?
24 Mar 16
Originally posted by sonshipIn which of my posts did I talk about an "objective figure" in which I have expressed a "desire" that you "decide to believe in"? A link or links please. You're just making stuff up.
According to your own world view, one cannot will up to decide to believe what he doesn't believe. The exception of course being that you desire me to will up to decide to believe in your objective figure and your alleged futility of Christians telling others how to meet the Lord.
24 Mar 16
Originally posted by Suzianne"Criminalize"?
So now it's sonship? Is "everyone" dodging the content of your posts? If you don't like his answers, stop asking the same question over and over again. You got your answer, regardless of whether it's the answer you were looking for. Is sonship the next person you're going to "criminalize" for disagreeing with you?
24 Mar 16
Originally posted by Suzianne to divegeesterHe is "...not a criminal" ... "ravings of a criminal mind" ... "criminalize people" ...?
GB is not a criminal, and yet you both persist in making practically everything he posts into the raving of a criminal mind. I guess we should just consider the source. This is what happens when you criminalize people for merely disagreeing with you.
Why do you keep suggesting that people you disagree with are "criminalizing" others?
Originally posted by SuzianneI assume you realize that all he wants is to embroil you in a contentious argument so that he can insinuate values about you. He does this almost continually, going from person to person attempting to get a rise out of them. Now I know you know this it therefore begs the question, why give him the opportunity?
So now it's sonship? Is "everyone" dodging the content of your posts? If you don't like his answers, stop asking the same question over and over again. You got your answer, regardless of whether it's the answer you were looking for. Is sonship the next person you're going to "criminalize" for disagreeing with you?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI asked sonship about whether he truly believes that someone can somehow choose or decide to believe something that they find unbelievable. His 'ministry' relies very heavily on the assertion that people can do such a thing. He answered with an anecdote about someone saying "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!" which of course simply does not address the question that had been put to him. Suzianne is mistaken if she thinks it does.
I assume you realize that all he wants is to embroil you in a contentious argument so that he can insinuate values about you. He does this almost continually, going from person to person attempting to get a rise out of them. Now I know you know this it therefore begs the question, why give him the opportunity?