22 Jan 19
@sonship saidDoes "self love" mean 'not a member of your religion?
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I am not "forever at enmity with God" I am simply not a member of your religion. That's all.
The law of gravity exists. It does so even though I am not a member of the Physics Department at MIT.
If you have no ultimate moral truth then how can you judge your eternal punishment as ultimately against the highest moral good?
Is your self l ...[text shortened]... ve the highest religion ?
Will your self love be the final bar of judgment for all beings?
22 Jan 19
@sonship saidYour notion of so-called "ultimate moral truth" is just as subjective as my notion of right and wrong. All you and I have is personal, subjective, unique moral compasses that synthesize the nature and nurture that affects us. We just strive to use it as a guide to do the best we can. Your stuff about torture as a revenge for lack of belief is just incoherent to me.
If you have no ultimate moral truth then how can you judge your eternal punishment as ultimately against the highest moral good?
@sonship saidWhat a silly question. Even if the term "self love" meant something to me, why would it be? What is this "final bar of judgment for all beings"? Are you referring to your own theist notions again as if I share them?
Will your self love be the final bar of judgment for all beings?
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MIles Davis was a US Jazz musician sometimes called "the king of cool." Cary Grant was a suave US Hollywood actor. I compared your strutting about that - "Sonship is Oh So Emotional but FMF is Oh So Calm" to them.
You knew who Frank Zappa was. You should know who the epitome of American cool jazz was - Mr. calm / cool agnostic atheist.
Why is eternal retribution not just ?
According to who's final authoritative evaluation is eternal punishment even theoretically morally wrong ?
You don't have to be a Christian to answer that.
22 Jan 19
@sonship saidI have told you why I think your moral ideology is incoherent dozens and dozens of times, including on this thread. You are blanking it out. I am posting responses but you are ignoring them.
Why is eternal retribution not just ?
According to who's final authoritative evaluation is eternal punishment even theoretically morally wrong ?
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22 Jan 19
Your notion of so-called "ultimate moral truth" is just [quote] Your stuff about torture as a revenge for lack of belief is just incoherent to me.
There are many criminals in prison for whom it is incoherent why they are not free to carry on their criminal lives as before they were incarcerated.
That is an imperfect human institution capably even of mistakes. What about one conducted by an infallible God with whom there could be no mistake?
I know you claim to lack belief as a specialized " Agnostic Atheist " (making sure you cover all bases).
But maybe it is unrealistic to me to imagine that ultimately anyone gets away with anything. Either there is an absolute acquittal such as Justification or there is a reckoning.
Why should I assume the default reality is that we all will jump into our graves laughing at what we were able to get away with?
I say you've got an illusion going. No accounting is as illusionary as no Creator is illusionary.
Why should I think the un-justified will not suffer eternal retribution ? What is inherently illogical about me taking seriously one who told us of these things and had to life to indicate He had authority in that realm of knowledge?
22 Jan 19
@sonship saidI refer you back to all the straight forward and honest answers I have been posting which you are blanking out.
There are many criminals in prison for whom it is incoherent why they are not free to carry on their criminal lives as before they were incarcerated.
That is an imperfect human institution capably even of mistakes. What about one conducted by an infallible God with whom there could be no mistake?
I know you claim to lack belief as a specialized " Agnostic Atheist ...[text shortened]... who told us of these things and had to life to indicate He had authority in that realm of knowledge?