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@josephw said
"Gay people" have no greater rights that override the rights of others, and the government has no jurisdiction in the affairs of law abiding private citizens in the administration of their businesses, or private lives, in a free society.
How about if the business owner's "personal convictions" make them unwilling to serve Black people?




@fmf said
Christianity = what's mine is yours

Does anyone practice their particular religious/ideological perspectives perfectly?


When it comes to self-identifying Christian businesspeople, why indeed isn't it a case of "What's mine is yours", as in: What's my product/ service is yours to benefit from, without judgement, and even if you are a sinner"?

Especially g ...[text shortened]... heir neighbours [/b] and love their enemies and judge others not lest they be judged.
You reason out of context.

The scriptures also teach "believers" to NOT be "unequally yoked together with unbelievers".

It is not biblically acceptable for a believer to be tolerant of those that demand that they provide above and beyond a service or product they believe is immoral.

Accept the fact that the LGBQ+ community will never, under the law of God, be able to force the Christian community to do for them that which the scriptures condemn.

And if they push the matter it will be over our dead bodies. It has been that way since Jesus rose from the dead, and will continue until He returns.

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@fmf said
How about if the business owner's "personal convictions" make them unwilling to serve Black people?
Then their racist perspective will be revealed for what it is and they will ultimately fail both in business and in their Christian life.

God is not a racist, and neither are His children.

And good luck to FMF if he thinks that he will change the world by criticizing Christians, the church and mischaracterizing the Bible.

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Only because you can't stay on topic.


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If you had any biblical "sensibilities" you wouldn't dodge my reply.


@josephw said
And good luck to FMF if he thinks that he will change the world by criticizing Christians, the church and mischaracterizing the Bible.
"Change the world"?


@josephw said
The scriptures also teach "believers" to NOT be "unequally yoked together with unbelievers".
Does this supersede "love your neighbour and love your enemies and judge others not lest you be judged"?



The charitable thing may well be not trying to give service to a subgroup of individuals. Since others of the group may have been better served.

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@fmf said
"Change the world"?
It's a figure of speech. What's the matter? Keep up.

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@fmf said
Does this supersede "love your neighbour and love your enemies and judge others not lest you be judged"?
Fair question.

The answer is relative to the context in which the verses in question occur.

To create a conflict between seemingly opposing truth belies the truth of each, and demonstrates the exegetical ignorance of anyone that attempts to do so.

Trust me, there's absolutely no way you're going to understand what the scriptures teach while being an agnostic-atheist.

All you can do is debate and argue without understanding.

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Refer to my original reply.

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@of-ants-and-imps said
The charitable thing may well be not trying to give service to a subgroup of individuals. Since others of the group may have been better served.
If I owned and operated a business I would not refuse a service or sell a product to anyone because of their chosen lifestyle.

What would be the point of losing a sale?

But if my business was such that I offered a product where the customer had options, such as the kind of cake, frosting, and other ingredients, and wanted a big dildo mounted on it, or some other inappropriate and offensive thing, I'd boot them out the door.

It's simple common sense. I will never obey a law that forces me to compromise on the moral standard instituted by my God.

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