22 Sep 20
@dj2becker saidIs the Pieter Becker mentioned in the report a relation of yours?
I managed to escape after 25 years. I feel for the ones that are still trapped there.
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22 Sep 20
@dj2becker saidI could never understand how people can claim that they are trapped in a cult. Are they physically tied down or locked in a room? Are their feet cut off? If not then its all their own fault for being stupid.
I managed to escape after 25 years. I feel for the ones that are still trapped there.
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23 Sep 20
@rajk999 saidmental prisons are real prisons
I could never understand how people can claim that they are trapped in a cult. Are they physically tied down or locked in a room? Are their feet cut off? If not then its all their own fault for being stupid.
i am happy you are unaffected
not all are so fortunate
23 Sep 20
@rookie54 saidA prison in your mind affecting you ? Thats the definition of stupidity. It is caused by a generation that grew up lazy, depending on others to look after them, trusting others to make decisions for them and, trusting the wrong people. Sometimes the wrong people are those in your own family. Jesus said to get rid of them. Maybe if some of these people read the teachings of Christ they would be strong enough to walk away from the stupidity.
mental prisons are real prisons
i am happy you are unaffected
not all are so fortunate
23 Sep 20
@rajk999 saidHave you recently signed up to an online course on talking bollox or something?
A prison in your mind affecting you ? Thats the definition of stupidity. It is caused by a generation that grew up lazy, depending on others to look after them, trusting others to make decisions for them and, trusting the wrong people. Sometimes the wrong people are those in your own family. Jesus said to get rid of them. Maybe if some of these people read the teachings of Christ they would be strong enough to walk away from the stupidity.
@dj2becker saidYou might have considered doing something to expose it when you managed to escape after 25 years, then perhaps there wouldn't have been people 'still trapped there" for so long.
I managed to escape after 25 years. I feel for the ones that are still trapped there.
Even just 2-3 years ago on this forum, you were - for all intents and purposes ~ still defending the cult from accusations of psychological abuse even after describing the psychological abuse in some detail.
@divegeester saidI know if you had something to post of substance you would have done it, so I guess thats the best you can muster. Two posts by you and nothing of value people can respond to. I posted my opinion, let me see you provide a decent counter argument. Just so you know, I was in a cult myself. Grew up in one. By around 18 yrs I realized where I was and that had to do something. By around 25 I was out. Its a hard road, and it takes guts. Having to tell your parents, friends that they are wrong, knowing that you will be ostracized is what stops people from doing the right thing. The weak and the stupid ones, take 25 yrs to leave a cult.
Have you recently signed up to an online course on talking bollox or something?
So post something of substance. Surprise me.
23 Sep 20
@fmf saidThis is exactly right. He was here doing that for years. Why does it take so long for people to do the right thing
You might have considered doing something to expose it when you managed to escape after 25 years, then perhaps there wouldn't have been people 'still trapped there" for so long.
Even just 2-3 years ago on this forum, you were - for all intents and purposes ~ still defending the cult from accusations of psychological abuse even after describing the psychological abuse in some detail.
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23 Sep 20
@divegeester saidBrother.
Is the Pieter Becker mentioned in the report a relation of yours?
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23 Sep 20
@fmf saidI essentially said I don’t think I suffered as much as others did. But ok keep on twisting my words. I am currently working with the media.
You might have considered doing something to expose it when you managed to escape after 25 years, then perhaps there wouldn't have been people 'still trapped there" for so long.
Even just 2-3 years ago on this forum, you were - for all intents and purposes ~ still defending the cult from accusations of psychological abuse even after describing the psychological abuse in some detail.
23 Sep 20
@rookie54 saidExactly.
mental prisons are real prisons
i am happy you are unaffected
not all are so fortunate
All the money that is spent on advertising because companies have evidence that they can cause real change with just seconds of advertising time to influence you. So imagine how much people can control, manipulate and suggest when they have you 24/7 at the most vulnerable life stage.
Immense respect is due to anybody who manages to break away at all. It amazed me how much secondary trauma I saw done to people breaking out of abusive situations because people decided to judge them for the time it had taken them, the times they had gone back or the extreme and sometimes bizarre approaches that had been necessary to survive. Worst of all people are taught to re-abuse themselves.
23 Sep 20
@bigdoggproblem saidAllowing a church pastor or some church elder to tell you [an adult], that they are spiritually cleansing you by performing acts of a sexual nature on you, means that you are damn stupid. Thats not mental illness.
No, not really.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid
There is nothing in there about mental illness.
23 Sep 20
@petewxyz saidSome societies have perfected the art of blaming others for all their ills. Its always the fault of the government, big businesses, parents, the teachers, the employers, your friends, your spouse or some TV programme ... etc. Where Im from, if you screw up and mess up your life, its your own damn fault.
Exactly.
All the money that is spent on advertising because companies have evidence that they can cause real change with just seconds of advertising time to influence you. So imagine how much people can control, manipulate and suggest when they have you 24/7 at the most vulnerable life stage.
Immense respect is due to anybody who manages to break away at all. It amazed ...[text shortened]... pproaches that had been necessary to survive. Worst of all people are taught to re-abuse themselves.
Im always amazed at some of these people in the US small claims court [Judge Judy for example], who are quick to blame others and quick to sue people for their mistakes. Society does the damage and the courts have to set them straight.