Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDo you think self-identified Christians who have not acquired the capacity to understand the tenets of Christianity you propagate will "have eternal life"?
No one ever succeeds communicating information beyond what the hearer/reader has acquired the capacity to understand.
Edit Note: Which begins with a genuine desire to know.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadI'm not trying to change the topic, I'm just not interested in talking with you about it.
This has nothing to do with my comments in this thread. Are you just trying to change the topic?
[b]You kept telling me there was no starting point in space, and I couldn't seem to get you to understand I was talking about a starting point in time... not space.
Can you reference the thread, because I strongly suspect you are mischaracterizing wh ...[text shortened]... ty that time started at some point. I do dispute that there is good reason to think that it did.[/b]
Why didn't you just say 'I am talking about a starting point in time'?
I did, several times.
It was a year or so ago, so I'm not going to waste time or effort trying to find it. humy was backing you up and also ignoring the fact I was saying time and not space, so I suspect the two of you were simply jerking me around.
I've only said it once here and you did not presume I was talking about space. So this tells me you do understand the difference.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI think I found the thread in question. It was at the Galaxy thread that started on
This has nothing to do with my comments in this thread. Are you just trying to change the topic?
[b]You kept telling me there was no starting point in space, and I couldn't seem to get you to understand I was talking about a starting point in time... not space.
Can you reference the thread, because I strongly suspect you are mischaracterizing wh ...[text shortened]... ty that time started at some point. I do dispute that there is good reason to think that it did.[/b]
22 Jun '13 00:02
Here's one of my replies to humy (on pg 21) after he joined the discussion:
Originally posted by humy
That last statement indicates you don't understand after all:
There is no 'point' of origin were the singularity once was in space that the whole universe could be accelerating away from or accelerating toward or having any kind of relative motion or lack of relative motion from it and nobody who understand cosmology is claiming otherwise.
If you claim that was once and not any other point and therefore it is not a meaningful 'point' of origin.
Me:
You want to re-argue the "point" point?
You agreed the word rapid is a relative term. So I proceeded to my next point and you finally understood what I meant by 'point of origin'. Now you want to step back and re-argue the 'point of origin' point?
You can only keep an old fart busy for just so long... after a while the old fart gets tired of repeating himself.
"...it's not an origin in relation to space, it's an origin in relation to time."
This is priceless. I'll be going back to read more of it later.
Originally posted by lemon limeWhy didn't you just come out and say you didn't want to discuss it the first time round? Why did you instead go off on a tangent attempting to make false accusations about me?
I'm not trying to change the topic, I'm just not interested in talking with you about it.
It was a year or so ago, so I'm not going to waste time or effort trying to find it. humy was backing you up and also ignoring the fact I was saying time and not space, so I suspect the two of you were simply jerking me around.
And I suspect you are mischaracterizing what went on in the thread.
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"Oh I see, you are reticent express your views on eternal suffering and Hinds claim that I deserve to be in eternal hell because... I would struggle to comprehend you?"
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Many who contribute to this forum have previously expressed their views on "eternal suffering" including the two of us:
"How can a God of love send anybody to Hell?" Thread 160245
"The Great White Throne Judgment" Thread 157295
We all "comprehend" biblical truth to the extent that our frames of reference are informed from doctrine already assimilated. In the Koine Greek of the New Testament "epignosis" [knowledge built upon knowledge] is used in this context rather than "gnosis" to describe the progressive building block nature of learning the Word of God with the illumination of the Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by twhiteheadAnd I suspect you are mischaracterizing what went on in the thread.
Why didn't you just come out and say you didn't want to discuss it the first time round? Why did you instead go off on a tangent attempting to make false accusations about me?
[b]It was a year or so ago, so I'm not going to waste time or effort trying to find it. humy was backing you up and also ignoring the fact I was saying time and not space, so I s ...[text shortened]... mply jerking me around.
And I suspect you are mischaracterizing what went on in the thread.[/b]
And I suspect you won't go there to see for yourself.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI goofed this time too... the thread is called "Galaxy Riddle", not Galaxy.
Let me help you out:Originally posted by lemon lime
I goofed again.
You frequently confused space and time and were very unclear about what exactly you were trying to say.
I think maybe it's you who were confused. I don't know how you could have looked at the word "time" and thought you were seeing "space".